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Creative Decking 1 - The Winter of the Rock

Posted by Hastur360 , 04 August 2012 · 1,447 views

I have a new idea for a blog here and hopefully with you, the reader, and myself we could use our creative processes in a round table manner to create a deck! Then you and I can take these decks into our play environments and see how the deck fares. Not sure if anyone will be interested in participating in an exercise of this type but here goes!

My initial idea was to abuse, Hidden Chambers (CoS).

To this end of course we will have to make it Winter. So most likely a White Raven (TWoW). So with a White Raven in mind and losing a gold off our income every turn, while this will also hurt our opponent, I would rather it not hurt us that much either. So in the interest of not losing that extra gold as we may still need it for all the cool Shadow cards we want to get out or other cards, I say we play this out of House Lannister (Core). This way can abuse the massive gold influx that Lannister can give us and the deck in my mind seems to edge toward an intrique centric deck and Lannister has a great amount of intrigue cards.

So the challenge is Winter out of House Lannister, to abuse Hidden Chamber.

Some card ideas right off the top of my head that would fit into the deck are, Braavos (VD), Catelyn Stark (AToT), and Alliance (PotS).

So there are a few ideas lets see what sort of reception the blog gets and see if we can build a deck!

Also if you think this is a good idea and want to see more blogs in the future drop a deck idea in the comments or message me with your idea and I will take ideas and either through a majority of similar ideas or random selection I will create more blogs.

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The Winter of the Rock

House (1)
House Lannister (Core) x1

Agenda (1)
The Power Behind the Throne (LotR) x1

Character (27)
Catelyn Stark (AToT) x1
Myrcella Lannister (LotR) x1
Maester Creylen (FtC) x1
Qyburn's Informers (Core) x1
Lannisport Moneylender (LotR) x2
Lannisport Steward (Core) x2
Brothel Guard (LotR) x2
Tyrion Lannister (Core) x1
Cersei Lannister (LotR) x3
Littlefinger (SaS) x1
Gold Cloaks (AToT) x3
Varys (SaS) x1
Yezzan's Grotesquerie (CD) x1
Syrio Forel (TftRK) x1
Meera Reed (TftH) x1
Arya Stark (CoS) x1
Janos Slynt (TWoW) x1
Lady Genna (CbtC) x1
Bronn (LotR) x1
Arrogant Contender (LotR) x1

Location (20)
Hidden Chambers (CoS) x3
Braavos (VD) x1
Kingdom of Shadows (KotS) x2
Lannisport Brothel (Core) x1
Lannisport Tourney Grounds (ODG) x1
Queen Cersei's Chambers (Core) x1
Twilight Market (AToT) x2
King's Landing (SaS) x1
Coin Mint (LotR) x3
Alchemist's Guild Hall (TBoBB) x2
Lannisport Treasury (LotR) x2
Volantis Inn (AHM) x1

Event (7)
Shadow Politics (CoS) x3
Terminal Schemes (LotR) x2
A Lannister Pays His Debts (Core) x2

Attachment (6)
White Raven (TWoW) x1
Devious Intentions (BoRF) x2
Pyromancer's Cache (TWot5K) x3

Plot (7)
A Time for Ravens (ACoS) x1
Breaking and Entering (LotR) x1
Frey Hospitality (LotR) x1
Shadows and Spiders (LotR) x1
The Breaking of Oaths (KotS) x1
City of Lies (CoS) x1
Game of Thrones (LotR) x1

NuFenix
Aug 04 2012 09:35 PM

Hey Hastur. Good to see another deck idea from you

My main thought with this idea is, what Shadow cards that cost gold to bring out are you intending to abuse?

Whilst you will have more gold from Lannister, you will pay extra for the Hidden Chambers, whereas if you were a straight Stark deck (perhaps using City of Shadows (CoS) for other houses shadows cards), you could then use Tower of the Hand (TTotH) to earn gold by bringing cards out of the shadows.

No matter what you do, I would add Kingdom of Shadows (KotS), to give you more gold, and stand one of your shadow cards.

Hastur360
Aug 04 2012 10:08 PM

Maybe abuse it wasn't such a good word, but use to give the lannister deck an advantage of bringing out shadow cards for free. I know I will spend more but if
Braavos (VD) is out in play that is one less. I was looking at things like using The Power Behind the Throne (LotR) and Catelyn Stark (AToT) to not allow the agenda to have a draw back.

Shadows cards I have thought of so far are King's Landing (SaS) and Shadow Politics (CoS).

I also thought since you may have the Catelyn no intrigue challenges lock down, why not slip in to your plots Shadows and Spiders (LotR) and The Breaking of Oaths (KotS).

Also since we are hurting our opponent's gold and boosting ours because of Lannister, the deck could put to use Lannisport (Core), Maester Creylen (FtC), and Tyrion Lannister (Core).

It could also use kneeling abuse and possibly find some use in Fights No Sword Can Win (TRS) and the deck itself could stray from military challenges? Though I think that might be bad, I am sure no one wants to give up a challenge type.

Again I know I could play it out of Stark but why not try and get a little creative and try and see if something works??

tibs3688
Aug 06 2012 09:22 PM

alliance and treaty with the north are options to handle the OOH cost, though with braavos it might be better to just play only a few stark cards and use city of shadows as the agenda. some good stark cards to use:

CoS arya and meera: obvious, obvious auto include in stark-lanni CoS deck. b oth are already great cards but then you are also making it winter so they will become uber. they also have strong synergy as arya "dying" allows meera to return to shadows as well.

frozen solid: helps with attachment control and location control typically weak area for lanni.

maester luwin: can at the gates this fool if you have a lot of events in the deck. might be worth it even without a bunch of events because, hey, free 3 cost bicon first turn lololololol

roose bolton: if you are focusing on intrigue, he does not kneel to attack during them. but if you are going with braavos + CoS 5 gold makes him probably not worth it.

bolton loyalist: same as above, fits intrigue theme, but likely not worth it if he will cost an extra gold.

anyways, on to lanni options:

lannisport treasury, coin mint, increased levy: obvious for the extra gold to marshall shadow cards.

income weenies: see above.

golden tooth mines: dat draw

CoS tyrion: if you have a bunch of shadows stuff going around he is basically a 4 for 5 tricon with your choice of keywords. meera in particular almost guarantees his effect can go off.

gold cloaks: hidden chambers makes them cost efficient and they let you draw a minimum of 1 card just for playing them.

cersei: AToT and LotR versions both seem good options. AToT version goes well with shadows theme but the LotR version is, well, everyone knows why that card is good.

qyburn: hidden chambers makes him 2 for 2 deadly shadows card, which sounds good even without the effect.

SaS littlefinger: does not kneel to attack, -1 cost for each card in shadows. yes please.

alchemist's guild hall: seems pretty obvious option for lanni shadows deck.

Hastur360
Aug 13 2012 02:28 AM

Sorry it took so long to get back to this but here is what I have been coming up with and adding suggestions from what tiibs3688 and NuFenix have added to the talks.

Keep in mind this is extremely bare bones and is in no way everything or possibly anything that will make it into the deck. All card ideas are added to the list below and will slowly be weeded out on merits of staying in the deck and helping to propel it forwards.

The Winter of the Rock

House (1)
House Lannister (Core) x1

Agenda (1)
The Power Behind the Throne (LotR) x1

Character (17)
Catelyn Stark (AToT) x1
Myrcella Lannister (LotR) x1
Maester Creylen (FtC) x1
Qyburn's Informers (Core) x1
Lannisport Moneylender (LotR) x1
Lannisport Steward (Core) x1
Brothel Guard (LotR) x1
Tyrion Lannister (Core) x1
Cersei Lannister (LotR) x1
Littlefinger (SaS) x1
Gold Cloaks (AToT) x1
Tyrion Lannister (CoS) x1
Cersei Lannister (AToT) x1
Qyburn (SaS) x1
Syrio Forel (TftRK) x1
Varys (SaS) x1
Tywin Lannister (TTotH) x1

Location (19)
Hidden Chambers (CoS) x3
Braavos (VD) x2
Kingdom of Shadows (KotS) x1
Lannisport (Core) x1
Shadowblack Lane (Core) x1
Lannisport Brothel (Core) x1
Lannisport Tourney Grounds (ODG) x1
Queen Cersei's Chambers (Core) x1
Twilight Market (AToT) x1
King's Landing (SaS) x1
Lannisport Treasury (LotR) x1
Coin Mint (LotR) x1
Golden Tooth Mines (Core) x1
Alchemist's Guild Hall (TBoBB) x1
The Red Keep (TftRK) x1
Tunnels of the Red Keep (CoS) x1

Event (4)
Fights No Sword Can Win (TRS) x1
Shadow Politics (CoS) x1
Terminal Schemes (LotR) x1
A Fistful of Coppers (AToT) x1

Attachment (6)
White Raven (TWoW) x3
Devious Intentions (BoRF) x1
A Pinch of Powder (PotS) x1
Pyromancer's Cache (TWot5K) x1

Plot (7)
A Time for Ravens (ACoS) x1
Breaking and Entering (LotR) x1
Frey Hospitality (LotR) x1
Hear Me Roar (Core) x1
Shadows and Spiders (LotR) x1
The Breaking of Oaths (KotS) x1
All the Gold in Casterly Rock (LotR) x1

Shanif
Aug 15 2012 05:50 PM

Only 46 cards so far so we need at least 14 more. Heres my 2 cents.
It looks as if Pyromancer's Cache is your resticted card so I would definatly add 2 more to take full advantage and tose out A Pinch of Powder.
This deck also appers to be charater light so thats were I would focus next. I think Cersei Lannister (LotR)x3 would be your best option and toss Cersei Lannister (AToT). Bronn (LotR) is also a really cool card. I would also add the newly Yezzan's Grotesquerie. That way you can throw out Shadow Politics as this card will sreve its purpose. It's also location heavy And I don't see to many reducers. I would try to cut some I just don't know which ones at the moment.
Thats my two cents.

Hastur360
Aug 19 2012 03:52 PM

So I updated the deck above with changes and suggestions. I am still 2 short on plots and am trying to figure out what to fill those slots with.
Yezzan's Grotesquerie (CD) made it into the deck as well as Bronn(LotR) and Cersei Lannister (LotR) . I think Shanif you meant to throw out Fights No Sword Can Win, not Shadow Politics (that definitely stays in). I built up the character base a bit and flesh out other card choices.

I also have more than enough card draw now maybe even too much, with Gold Cloaks, Tyrion Lannister, King's Landing and Pyromancer's Cache.

Again check out the deck above and leave some feedback if you wish to help.

Also if you have an idea for another Creative Decking I would love to hear some other ideas not matter if they spring from a small card combo or if you want to center it around a certain character.

tibs3688
Aug 20 2012 07:59 AM

a couple of ideas floating around in my head include:

stark lannister alliance centered around the blackfish: lannister attachments such as devious intentions (main one) and head of a dwarf to make blackfish claim 3 power asap, nothing but tully chars, attachments and locations mostly lannister, lannister card draw to draw into our combo early as possible. probably a non-competitive gimmick deck at best but blackfish is my fave char and i will always want to have a deck where he is the superstar

greyjoy stark alliance choke deck: with stark tech like frozen solid and freezing rain (which CAN hit limited locations, notably) to supplement the already strong location control of greyjoy, well, yeah. again, prolly not going to be as good as single house maesters/KoW no matter how you slice it, but i like the concept of combining the two winter-based houses if nothing else. you get to use meera reed and CoS arya stark in the same deck as wintertime marauders, under winter conditions of course. muahahahahahahaha

Hastur360
Aug 21 2012 04:38 AM

Cool got some ideas here. Thanks Tibs. After this deck is completed and played I will start up another blog.

Hastur360
Sep 01 2012 06:11 PM

So I finished the deck and will be putting it together to play a couple games. Got sidetracked making another deck, but got myself back on track.

bigfomlof
Sep 04 2012 11:08 PM

Can't wait to see how this plays out. I'll try it, too. I might sub out your agenda for Treaty with the North as I only really ever play melee and I love what the treaty cards do to the table.

Thanks again for the work on this.

DubiousYak
Sep 05 2012 08:26 AM

Lady Genna (CbtC) is great, but you do not want to include her in a PBJ deck. Her ability only activates when you loose a challenge, so to use her ability your opponent will get to draw a card or claim power. Why plan to give your opponent power or a card?

Hastur360
Sep 09 2012 02:12 AM

Thanks Bigfomlof and hope you like playing the deck.

@DubiousYak Lady Genna ability does seem somewhat lackluster in a PBJ deck, but she serves a bit more purpose than that. She is another character with the Lady trait (Braavos), she gives me another character with an intrigue icon, and if for some reason I do lose my initial intrigue challenge then I get another even if my opponent gets something. Especially handy on turns I may be under the Plot Breaking Oaths or Frey Hospitality, or a turn I may be using Myrcella or Shadow Politics. I may also want to just sucker my opponent so I can play A Lannister Pays His Debts and still got my intrigue. Never know how much you might need something and it becomes toolboxy.