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[Forum Fun] The Puzzles & Riddles Challenge Thread

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We used to do this in the Conquest forum a bit. Someone would create rules of a participatory forum game and then we just let it roll. This has been inspired by RobbyStark's fricking difficult Stalemate puzzle but also the original Riddle and Puzzle Threads from Core Set.

 

The rules of this thread are simple:

 

1. Each user may only have ONE unsolved Challenge at any one time (if you want to pose more, don't make it too hard).

2. When answering a Challenge, simply state the username (or better, quote the original challenge) and then your answer.

3. Anything Thrones related is fine as long as it challenges the visitor to solve a problem.

4. Don't make the challenges too easy or too difficult - the aim is to entertain, not frustrate.

5. Don't worry if your answer ends up wrong (quite often bettered by another solution).

 

So this could be an open-ended question (e.g. "what is the maximum power you could gain on the turn that you play Valar to clear the table of all characters?") or a specific game situation like a Chess problem or even something more literary such as my opener (I wouldn't pose quizes unless they are cryptic clues because of the interweb and wikis).

 

Let's see if this is a cultural thing, that the Conquest forum was just more outgoing and willing to participate in silliness whilst Thrones is a lot more po-faced. This could backfire embarrassingly, especially with a Sunday launch, but I might as well try (and see if this picks up on Monday when work restarts).

 

 

Sparrowhawk's Challenge #1

(in the style of children's riddles)

 

My first is in Mountain, but not in The Hound.

My second hides in Pentos, in Storm's End it’s found.

My third shines in Golden, but shuns Company.

My fourth comes from Tyrosh, and not from Yunkai.

My fifth in Valyrian, but not Ghiscari.

The past or the future? So who then am I?

 

 

Please post your own Challenge (but note only 1 unsolved Challenge per user so don't make them too hard). I expect most will be actual game related, not nonsense like the above.


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Aegon I think.


And for my own question

What is the most gold it is possible to have at any given time?

I won't say my target, but it is above 50.
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Aegon I think.And for my own questionWhat is the most gold it is possible to have at any given time?I won't say my target, but it is above 50.


Hmm. May be wide of the mark, but here goes.

Martell-Lion, turn seven, opponent playing Tyrell something. Previous turn Tyrion is in play with 3 Roseroads, Long Plan revealed. 7 gold, spend nothing, play In Doran's Name to gain 5. Two intrigue challenges, 4 more gold from Tyrion. Lose 7 challenges (Olenna's Informant x3 plus Storm of Swords revealed) gain 7 gold from plot. Carry 23 gold to turn seven. Turn seven, reveal Pentoshi to gain 13 when income counted. Running total: 36. Play another In Doran's Name this time gaining 6. Total 42. Tyrion's gold from another 2 intrigue challenges, total 46.

I have 46, but have likely missed something...

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You have used the same house and banner as me.

But you can't use In Doran's Name plot 7 as there are now no plots revealed.
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You have used the same house and banner as me.

But you can't use In Doran's Name plot 7 as there are now no plots revealed.

I don't actually know how you can work this out, because if you include Levies at the Rock then you would have to work out how much money your opponent could have and the number of 1 and 2 drop characters they can afford/fit in a deck. Essentially if they are running the same House/Banner combo as you and execute it the turn before you can engineer taking all of it with Levies.



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Aegon I think.


And for my own question

What is the most gold it is possible to have at any given time?

I won't say my target, but it is above 50.

 

Correct, sir. Maybe I shouldn't have splattered it with Aegon/Young Griff references :)

 

(Ooops *** SPOILERS *** for any visitors who haven't read the books and just follow the shallow but entertaining facsimile.)

 

 

 

Ok, on your challenge.

 

Magnus is indeed right on track but has missed a few tricks (and can't play In Doran's Name for 6 outside of Rains).

 

 

Martell Lion

 

Turn 5 = The Long Plan into Storm of Swords

3 Roseroads

3 Moneylenders

1 Littlefinger

Tyrion with 6 intrigue challenges (opponent is Lanni Rose with Casterly Rock and 3 Informants)

You lose 3 own challenges + 8 opponent's challenges (Storm of Swords)

Opponent kills 2 Sellswords with Storm of Swords

In Doran's Name for 4

Levies at the Rock to steal his 4 gold (let's cap this at 4 characters per use?)

Brothel Madam for 1

Carry over gold = 4 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 12 + 11 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 1 = 47

 

Turn 5 = Summer Harvest into Trading with the Pentoshi

3 Roseroads

3 Moneylenders (via Taxation for 6 Limiteds)

1 Littlefinger

Tyrion with 3 intrigue challenges (their Casterly Rock)

Opponent kills 1 Sellsword

In Doran's Name for 5

Levies at the Rock x2 to steal 8 gold (capping this at 4 each)

Brothel Madam for 1

Total gold = 47+ 15 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 6 + 2 + 5 + 8 + 1 = 91

 

So I make 91 capping Levies at 4 each. (Sadly Levies makes this slightly moot....)

 

Interesting Thought Experiment and demonstrates that Night's Watch Lion is most definitely the way to go with Choke.

 

Did I miss any tricks?

 

 

 

EDIT: Forgot Paid Off x3 in both turns, reducing Long Plan losses by 1 but gaining you net 5. More choke for Night's Watch Lion.

 

 

 

We shall both have to think of a new challenge...


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Ranger's Cache the turn before Long Plan, as well.

 

Also: yikes.


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In joust, simply revealing Calling the banners if your opponent has 95 characters= 49 of his + 46 of yours (using and recycling any trick Night's Watch has to steal characters) already gives 95 gold. (91 gold if you want to survive the draw phase and play the income phase)

 

With the spoiled scheme agenda, Calling the banners into Long plan followed by Calling the banners into Varys's riddle copying Calling the banners give you the when revealed gold thrice. So more than 260 gold with only the plot cards.


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Sparrowhawk's Challenge #2

(this time it's game related)

 

Both players begin the Plot phase with 6 cards in hand.

Your opponent flips Valar Morghullis.

You win initiative and make him first player.

At the end of the Plot phase:

- there are no cards in play (not even locations),

- no player has any gold,

- you are losing 14 power to 0.

Your opponent marshalls The Iron Throne and a Roseroad.

He has 0 gold left and 6 cards in hand.

A few minutes later, you have won the game.

 

How did you win the game?



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Sparrowhawk's Challenge #2

(this time it's game related)

 

You are losing 14 power to 3 but have now gained overwhelming control.

Unfortunately your opponent flips Valar Morghullis.

You win initiative and make him first player.

At the end of the Plot phase, there are no cards in play and no player has any gold.

He marshalls The Iron Throne, has 0 gold left and 6 cards in hand.

You have 5 cards in hand at the start of your marshalling.

3 minutes later, you have won the game.

 

How did you win the game?

 

You're running Targ Crossing, your plot was Fallen from Favor. You marshall Drogo with the Silver Steed for 7 gold. Your remaining cards are Shierak Quiya and Dragon's Tail. Tail for Tail and Superior Claim. Tail for Tail and Superior Claim. Tail for 2x Waking the Dragon.

 

Military, stand with Waking (+2. Renown and unopposed)

Power, standing with Shierak, trigger Superior Claim, trigger Silver Steed (+5. Renown, unopposed, claim, trigger)

Military, stand with Waking (+3. Renown, unopposed, crossing)

Power, trigger Superior Claim (+5. Renown, unopposed, claim, trigger)

 

I don't feel like this is what you had in mind but this gets you 15 power in 4 starting cards and one plot.

 

Edit: I misread this and thought it was 4 cards? Oh well.

Edit: I see you were editing while I was thinking.


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You're running Targ Crossing, your plot was Fallen from Favor. You marshall Drogo with the Silver Steed for 7 gold. Your remaining cards are Shierak Quiya and Dragon's Tail. Tail for Tail and Superior Claim. Tail for Tail and Superior Claim. Tail for 2x Waking the Dragon.

 

Military, stand with Waking (+2. Renown and unopposed)

Power, standing with Shierak, trigger Superior Claim (+5. Renown, unopposed, claim, trigger)

Military, stand with Waking (+3. Renown, unopposed, crossing)

Power, trigger Superior Claim (+5. Renown, unopposed, claim, trigger)

 

I don't feel like this is what you had in mind but this gets you 15 power in 4 starting cards and one plot.

 

Edit: I misread this and thought it was 4 cards? Oh well.

Edit: I see you were editing while I was thinking.

 

Sorry, I wanted to make it a comeback from 0-14 to win.

 

I didn't see your solution!!! Let me analyse it. Wow!



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You're running Targ Crossing, 

 

Ok, that's very clever and incredibly extreme. However, I want to add "against any defence" to my puzzle please. :)

 

So the opponent being able to Hand's Judgement a 0-cost event is definitely an issue.

 

Sorry, I'm going to edit the puzzle again to add that phase; my fault for not making that clear.

 

So think you can solve it with the new parameters, hot shot? :)



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You're running Targ Crossing,

 

Actually, my solution fails to Hand's Judgement as well, dammit!

 

My solution was

 

 

Martell Rose on turn 6

Plot - Song of Summer (so 5 gold)

 

6+2 Cards in Hand: Kingsroad, Arianne, Greenblood Trader, In Doran's Name, Doran's Game x2, Olenna's Informant, Desert Scavenger

 

5 gold from Plot

Play In Doran's Name (faction card kneel)

10 gold

Play the Trader

Find any 2 gold military icon (Bastard Daughter is fine)

8 gold

Play the Kingsroad, spend it to bring out Arianne

5 gold

Play the Daughter and the Scavenger

2 gold

Attack with the Daughter (MIL unopposed) +1 Power

Attack with the Scavenger (POW unopposed) +2 Power

Attack with Arianne (INT unopposed), play Doran's Game (as STR 5), +6 Power

1 gold

Recall Arianne for Informant

Attack with Trader and Informant (INT unopposed), play Doran's Game (as STR 5), +6 Power

0 gold

 

BUT - this sadly fails if In Doran's Name is countered...

 

 

I was really shocked and impressed by your Targ Blitz solution.

The Dragon's Tail has made these sorts of puzzles a bit difficult.

 

Dammit, back to the drawing board....

 

 

(Though this has taught me to look at Targ Crossing Rush in a new light....)



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Dammit, back to the drawing board....

 

I can just add 3 cancels to their cancels since I used so few cards, too, so mine still works with the expanded parameters. I didn't even consider playing a kingsroad, though, so take it with a grain of salt ...

 

Yours is good too, anything like this likely needs too much efficiency for no zero-cost events. You can always just outlaw dragon's tail and heads on spikes the next plot phase (the timer doesnt work after power claim)



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Sparrowhawk's Challenge #3

(this probably has multiple solutions...)

 

I have 4 cards from a current legal deck in my hand

The sum of their printed gold cost = 19

The sum of printed STR of cards with a MIL icon = 10

The sum of printed STR of cards with an INT icon = 2

The sum of printed STR of cards with a POW icon = 4

 

What 4 cards am I holding?



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Sparrowhawk's Challenge #3

(this probably has multiple solutions...)

 

I have 4 cards from a current legal deck in my hand

The sum of their printed gold cost = 19

The sum of printed STR of cards with a MIL icon = 10

The sum of printed STR of cards with an INT icon = 2

The sum of printed STR of cards with a POW icon = 4

 

What 4 cards am I holding?

 

Seal of the hand

Gregor

Pyromancers

Newly-Made lord


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Sparrowhawk's Challenge #2

(this time it's game related)

 

Both players begin the Plot phase with 6 cards in hand.

Your opponent flips Valar Morghullis.

You win initiative and make him first player.

At the end of the Plot phase:

- there are no cards in play (not even locations),

- no player has any gold,

- you are losing 14 power to 0.

Your opponent marshalls The Iron Throne and a Roseroad.

He has 0 gold left and 6 cards in hand.

A few minutes later, you have won the game.

 

How did you win the game?

 

You play Dragon's Tail to win by decking them (and have 3x Hand's Judgement to shield from any they have). Cut the rope, folks!


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Tyrion with 6 intrigue challenges (opponent is Lanni Rose with Casterly Rock and 3 Informants)

 

Tyrion is limit twice per round, so you can gain at most 4 gold from him.



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Good spot. Thanks.


I forgot about this thread so here's another new Puzzle Format.

There's a theory known as Six Degrees of Separation - that any 2 people in the world are connected by at most 6 connections. (It's also an excellent play and film about exploitation and an amusing party game for film buffs).

Now Westeros and Essos is a much smaller world. It's simple to connect far flung characters in 6 connections, from Varamyr Six Skins to Xaro Xhoan Daxos (Orrel the Eagle - Ygritte - Jon Snow - Rhaeghar Targaryen - Danaerys Targaryen),

No, this is A Game of Thrones forum so let's try something to do with the game.


SIX DEGREES OF ASSOCIATION

Two cards are "connected" if they have the same trait written on both cards (they need not have that trait).

So how do you connect our 2 favourite locations, Brandon's Gift and Vaes Dothrak, within 6 connections?

Fame and fortune awaits the person who shares this hidden trail of breadcrumbs!

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How is Jon Snow connected to Rhaeghar Targaryen?
How is Danaerys Targaryen connected to Rhaeghar Targaryen? He died before she was born.
 
I thought it was a theory of 6 handshakes. I.e. people having made aquaintance with each other in person.
 
Vaes Dothrak - Dothraki Sea - Drogo's Arakh - Halder - Brandon's Gift