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Shaper Agnok deck thread


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#1
Tytou

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Hi there,

 

I was curious about what the Shaper Agnok warlord would be able to and with the 2 new Tau cards revealed in Breaching the Veil (Kroot hounds unit and Arrangement at Elova IV attachement) , I think it becomes an interesting warlord to deck build with. Especially with the new attach. that makes him a better counter-command. I built this deck with a full Kroot units to test. Any comments are welcome to make this "Guerrilla" deck even better. Here is my deck list :

 

http://www.conquestd...er-agnok-kroots

 

Shaper Agnok

 
Army (30)
4x Agnok's Shadows (Promise of War)
2x Bork'an Recruits (The Scourge)
3x Carnivore Pack (Core Set)
3x Earth Caste Technician (Core Set)
2x Gun Drones (Core Set)
3x Kroot Guerrilla (Jungles of Nectavus)
3x Kroot Hounds (Breaching the Veil)
3x Raging Krootox (The Warp Unleashed)
2x Recon Drone (Core Set)
2x Sniper Drone Team (Slash and Burn)
3x Vior'la Marksman (Core Set)
 
Attachment (10)
3x Arrangement at Elova IV (Breaching the Veil)
3x Ion Rifle (Core Set)
3x Shuriken Catapult (Wrath of the Crusaders)
1x Vanguard Pack (Promise of War)
 
Event (10)
2x Behind Enemy Lines (Promise of War)
2x Calibration Error (Promise of War)
2x For the Tau'va (Descendants of Isha)
2x Tactical Withdrawal (Slash and Burn)
2x Tense Negotiations (Zogwort's Curse)
 
Support (1)
1x Evolutionary Adaptation (Promise of War)
 
Thank you.
 
Tytou
 

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Considering you don't have a lot of Limited cards, I would find space for the 3rd Recon Drone. Even though you want to lose command usually, winning command on a key planet can deny your opponent critical cards/ressources while having a good deploy stall. :)


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I agree, but where to find the spot  :wacko: ? I think Earth Cast Technician is a better choice than a Recon drone. Also being able to get Elova IV in early game would give me more power on commands with my Kroot units. However, should I remove a Vior la Marksman instead for a Recon ? Any suggestion to switch it with another card ?

 

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I could see -1 Shuriken Catapult for +1 Recon Drone

or

-2 Recon Drone for +2 Ambush Platform

 

Playing Shuriken Catapult for 1 and Ion Rifle for 0 seems good.



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Ambush platform seems a great one to add X2. Kroots are warriors so Catapult through the support might be a good Elite or warlord hunting. I am running X2 for the Tau'va so it makes more even sense.

 

I am going to remove 1 tense negotiation as well as 1 tactical withdrawal. About the recon drone, I'll switch 1 ECT to that drone 0 cost unit. It makes my command a bit stronger. Also, I cannot bet all of my command control on Elova4.

 

Now, with these attachements around,  I'm wondering if I shouldn't include any Even the odd ??... arrrffff  :lol: Spots, spots,spot....

 

Also, I played that Shaper deck yesterday evening with our local community against a Tyranid Elite Mortrex deck. I have been able to fight well the command phase ( I got one Elova that helped) I also been able to handle the Mortrex ability (3 attach. on 6 planets and I bloodied him on P5) but I have been completely overwhelmed by latest support cards. 

STC fragment, Loamy Broodhive and Invasion Site combo is insane with a full elite deck !  My Shaper deck wasn't build for it.



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I tried him out here, and have some other videos in the pipeline using him. It's a shame that the Kroot Hunters don't work for him, and I think I'll remove them.

 



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Totally agree with you SlaneshDevotee. That Kroot hunter is one of the weirdest card FFG has made to me. Having the name but not the trait ! Anyways, I think too you should remove them from your deck to Kroot Hounds. Also, adding X2 or 3 Elova4 attachments would give you more control on the board. In worst case scenario you have 2 shields. You could easily trade them for the kroot hunting riffles. I am very curious about your Shaper deck list, do you have it somewhere ? Do you play the carnivores as well as Kroot guerrilla ? Do you play with ally ? Elders looks good to me because of the ambush catapult and but SM might be better (the shadows are moving so Exterminates could be a good trick) ?


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Hi Tytou,

Hi Slaanesh devotee,

 

If you don't mind the cards being in chinese (you know them already),

Here is a game Agnok VS Cato. Agnok is played by a strong regional champion from China (Sepzy).

 


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And Cato by me! XDDD


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Could you please upload the Shaper's deck list ? :)

 

thanks 



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Now Pack III is out and received :) , these new cards has given good weapons for Shaper. There is an organized Apoka winter Kit in our local store soon and I'd like to give him a chance in competitive play. Here is my deck list below. I included X3  Kroot Hunter since "Kroot" trait has been confirmed by Brad Andres. That army unit gives him a real boost in command as well as being able to ambushing it with "Behind enemy lines". I really have fun to play with it and I think Shaper is real deal as a sniper. So the focus there is a combo mix between ambushing (Attachments/ambush Platform/Smuggler's den) and sniping (BHL/Agnok'sShadow/For the Tau'va). Would you have any good tips or tricks to improve it ?

 

Thanks :)

 

 

Shaper Agnok

 
Army (25)
4x Agnok's Shadows (Promise of War)
3x Carnivore Pack (Core Set)
3x Earth Caste Technician (Core Set)
1x Eldritch Corsair (Gift of the Ethereals)
3x Kroot Guerrilla (Jungles of Nectavus)
2x Kroot Hounds (Breaching the Veil)
3x Kroot Hunter (The Final Gambit)
3x Scorpion Striker (The Warp Unleashed)
3x XV25 Stealth Squad (Against the Great Enemy)
Attachment (12)
3x Arrangement at Elova IV (Breaching the Veil)
2x Auxiliary Armor (Boundless Hate)
3x Ion Rifle (Core Set)
3x Shuriken Catapult (Wrath of the Crusaders)
1x Vanguard Pack (Promise of War)
Event (8)
2x Behind Enemy Lines (Promise of War)
1x Consumed by the Kindred (Enemy Territory)
2x Doom (Core Set)
3x For the Tau'va (Descendants of Isha)
Support (6)
3x Ambush Platform (Core Set)
1x Evolutionary Adaptation (Promise of War)
2x Smuggler's Den (Enemy Territory)
 
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Do you have enough targets for the Auxiliary Armour?

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I think I have enough targets but I'd prefer to include  X2 Hidden Strike Chainsword instead. It cost 1 and I can put some pression with it through AMplatfom or in command phase by deep striking it. Not sure yet about that choice. I'll give it a try to test it tomorrow. By the way  I revised a little bit the deck,

 

Shaper Agnok

 
Army (26)
4x Agnok's Shadows (Promise of War)
3x Carnivore Pack (Core Set)
3x Earth Caste Technician (Core Set)
2x Eldritch Corsair (Gift of the Ethereals)
2x Kroot Guerrilla (Jungles of Nectavus)
3x Kroot Hounds (Breaching the Veil)
3x Kroot Hunter (The Final Gambit)
3x Scorpion Striker (The Warp Unleashed)
3x XV25 Stealth Squad (Against the Great Enemy)
 
Attachment (12)
3x Arrangement at Elova IV (Breaching the Veil)
2x Hidden Strike Chainsword (Jungles of Nectavus)
3x Ion Rifle (Core Set)
3x Shuriken Catapult (Wrath of the Crusaders)
1x Vanguard Pack (Promise of War)
 
Event (7)
2x Behind Enemy Lines (Promise of War)
2x Doom (Core Set)
3x For the Tau'va (Descendants of Isha)
 
Support (5)
3x Ambush Platform (Core Set)
1x Evolutionary Adaptation (Promise of War)
1x Smuggler's Den (Enemy Territory)
 
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totally turn to ds, with 1 den to return your kroot rifle, if you have deathstorm behind, it will be a 1R to 2 damage trick

others with the same to Vezuel

 

Shaper Agnok
 
Army (21)
3x 8th Company Assault Squad (Jungles of Nectavus)
4x Agnok's Shadows (Promise of War)
2x Deathwing Interceders (Enemy Territory)
3x Deathwing Terminators (Searching for Truth)
2x Earth Caste Technician (Core Set)
2x Kroot Hunter (The Final Gambit)
2x Recon Drone (Core Set)
3x Void Pirate (Core Set)
Attachment (9)
3x Heavy Marker Drone (Zogwort's Curse)
2x Ion Rifle (Core Set)
3x Kroot Hunting Rifle (Against the Great Enemy)
1x Vanguard Pack (Promise of War)
Event (10)
2x Behind Enemy Lines (Promise of War)
1x Exterminatus (Core Set)
3x Indomitable (Core Set)
3x Tactical Withdrawal (Slash and Burn)
1x Vengeance! (The Great Devourer)
Support (10)
2x Ambush Platform (Core Set)
3x Beleaguered Garrison (Searching for Truth)
3x Deathstorm Drop Pod (Slash and Burn)
1x Evolutionary Adaptation (Promise of War)
1x Smuggler's Den (Enemy Territory)
 
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I'm trying a more regular one. It's a new version of the old deck in #8's video of this thread.
 
Warlord
1x Shaper Agnok
 
Armies (29)
4x Agnok's Shadow
2x Recon Drone
3x Void Pirate
3x Rogue Trader
3x Shrieking Exarch
3x Infuriated Knarloc  (Which named Enraged Knarloc before)
2x Raging Krootox
2x Kroot Hounds
1x Adherent Outcast
3x Freebooter Kaptain
3x Saim-Hann Kinsman
 
Attachments (4)
1x Vanguard Pack
3x Arrangement at Elova IV
 
Events (13)
2x Behind Enemy Lines
3x Fall Back!
2x Consumed by the Kindred
1x Backlash
3x Counterblow
2x Calculated Strike
 
Supports (6)
1x Evolutionary Adaptation
3x STC Fragment
2x Sae'lum Enclave


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Quick note: The "Infuriated Knarloc" has been renamed "Rampaging Knarloc" thanks to Varun and Aaron's feedbacks on facebook. (We promise, it won't change now ^^)



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WarStyxFury, I finally changed my mind and went with an Elite Shaper deck. Mid-Low range + attachements are not strong enough to really fight against a Squigoth Brute or similar friends :D X3 consumed by the kindred allows me to get my elite money back (instead of fallback, should I include 1 or 2 maybe? which would make sense with the tech marine aspirant! ..mmm) before loosing them and with the carnivore pack it's 6R before it dies. Kroot miam miam ... Also I'll probably switch X1 declare the crusade to add another tense negotiation .. or fallback indeed :)

 

Shaper Agnok

 
Army (31)
4x Agnok's Shadows (Promise of War)
3x Carnivore Pack (Core Set)
3x Firedrake Terminators (The Threat Beyond)
2x Gun Drones (Core Set)
1x Imperial Fists Devastators (Deadly Salvage)
1x Inquisitor Caius Wroth (Descendants of Isha)
3x Kroot Hounds (Breaching the Veil)
3x Kroot Hunter (The Final Gambit)
3x Raging Krootox (The Warp Unleashed)
3x Techmarine Aspirant (Slash and Burn)
2x Void Pirate (Core Set)
3x Rampaged Knarloc (Enemy Territory)
Attachment (6)
3x Arrangement at Elova IV (Breaching the Veil)
2x Heavy Marker Drone (Zogwort's Curse)
1x Vanguard Pack (Promise of War)
Event (10)
1x Backlash (Legions of Death)
2x Behind Enemy Lines (Promise of War)
2x Calibration Error (Promise of War)
2x Consumed by the Kindred (Enemy Territory)
2x Declare the Crusade (What Lurks Below)
1x Tense Negotiations (Zogwort's Curse)
Support (3)
1x Evolutionary Adaptation (Promise of War)
2x STC Fragment (Legions of Death)
 
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around this Warlord.

The main reasons why I like him are:

1) He's going to have a strong economy, resilient to choke, but does not choke his opponent. Games in which everyone gets to play their cards are more enjoyable for me.

2) Unlike other Tau Warlords, he's not forcing you to play in a very specific way: sure, he wants some Kroots, but you can choose the other themes for your deck.

 

Tau's thing is supposed to be attachments. However, since I don't think it works that well (very card intensive, increased susceptibility to removal) I tried a Tau deck relatively low on attachments.

 

Warlord
1x Shaper Agnok

Armies (33)
4x Agnok's Shadow
3x Recon Drone
3x Vash'ya Trailblazer
3x Earth Caste Technician
3x Carnivore Pack
3x Kroot Hunter
3x Kroot Hounds
3x Gun Drones
3x Furious Wraithblade
2x The Duke of Debris
3x Penal Legionnaire

Attachments (10)
1x Vanguard Pack
3x Heavy Marker Drone
3x Arrangement at Elova IV
3x Promotion

Events (5)
2x Behind Enemy Lines
3x Noble Deed

Supports (2)
1x Evolutionary Adaptation
1x Repair Bay

 

 

Penal Legionnaire and Noble Deed are placeholders for two new Kroot-themed cards yet to be revealed in Pack 5.

Please note this isn't really a full-fledged deck, but rather a starting point since it lacks some oomph.

It's strong in command: ECT is basically always a hit and the command units I have are all very efficient, not to mention Agnok's ability of course.

The problem is that the only card I have to deal with Elites is the Heavy Marker Drone, whereas the only card that can deal with swarms is Gun Drones - this is why I am considering trying Repair Bay, which could put clutch cards back into my hand.

Another possibility is throwing the attachment module into the mix (2x Ambush Platform, 3x Ion Rifle, 3x Sniper Drone Team) and go down the "aggression" path, but then the deck risks becoming inconsistent and too weak against removal (seeing as not playing Elites means I can't hope for a Backlash).

Agnok's Shadows and the sig Event are both very strong and provide some options to adjust combat math, but I'd still like to have more combat surprises. The problem is that the available options are not too exciting, so I don't know what to add in.

Another possibility would be to go full Kroot and forsake command entirely - however we don't have enough Kroots to do that, especially low cost ones. When pack 5 is revealed we'll have these couple of new Kroot cards which are really interesting, but I still think it's not enough to go that route.

I considered playing Agnok with Elites but I find it hard, since a good deal of the Kroots are midrangers, while we have just a single playable kroot Elite (the Knarloc). It could be interesting to try an Elite/out of faction deck with STC and Enclave, but then I fear the kroot theme would go out of the window.

What do you guys think?


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Spoilers ahead!

 

Eulich's deck contains two cards from pack 5.

We considered, and... let's spoil some cards for the sake of discussion. :)

Here are the "Noble Deeds" and "Penal Legionary" replacements:

 

 

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Dooooooh! The cards are great!!
The deck is exciting now.
 
About it:
I can understand 3x Recon Drone. Free 2 Command icons, triggering on ECT.
But why 3x Vash'ya Trailblazer? It's expansive for something that is not in synergy with the warlord's ability isn't it? Maybe you are using it for Gun Drones, but aren't the Shadows fulfilling this role already? (Maybe less Trailblazers and more broken Sniper Teams? ^^)
 
Btw: I would love to see a full Kroot deck forsaking command entirely. Seems like a crazy challenge.