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The Kindly Man

Submitted Darksbane , Jan 16 2012 09:23 PM | Last updated May 14 2012 05:15 AM

The Kindly Man

Type: Character House: Stark
Cost: 2 Strength: 1 Icons: Military,Intrigue, Power
Game Text:
Ally.
House Stark only. Deadly.
If The Kindly Man would be killed, instead attach him to your House card as your only agenda with the text:
"Response: After you win an [Intrigue] or [Power] challenge, choose a non-unique character in any dead or discard pile and put it into play under your control. At the end of the phase, discard that character if it is still in play. (Limit once per phase.)"
Crest: Holy
Number: 1 Set: VM
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Wibben

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22 Comments

cupcakewinterfell
Jan 17 2012 10:17 PM

I kind of dont get this design decision. I mean, i get the theme/connection to the book, but does stark really benefit from another 2 cost 1 str character? Even with the (interesting but not sure it's better the seige) Agenda effect, it gets extra credit-in uselessness because of the Ally trait too... like cat of canals, it just doesnt seem worth the card slot.

cupcakewinterfell
Jan 17 2012 10:19 PM

Also, and excuse my annoyance, but how the %&*# is this card house stark alignment and Lyanna Stark is not? (Aside from deciding not to include neutral cards in this chapter pack)

GhostofNightsWatch
Jan 17 2012 11:45 PM

martel would abuse this card if it was neutral

n00bcommander
Feb 13 2012 02:29 PM

I agree that this card is not as good as either of the other two Agenda Characters we have seen yet. Having said that this is a low cost deadly holy character. You can take advantage of those two with plots like
Many Powers Long Asleep (RoR) and
The Power of Faith (KotStorm).

Staton
Feb 13 2012 03:07 PM

I think this card is a lot better than people are giving it credit for. Just think of this card and House Umber Berserkers (BoRF). You lay out Kindly Man and then follow it immediately with the Berserkers. You kill Kindly Man and they have to kill a character. Then for your next mil claim just kill your Berserkers. Now you can keep putting the Berserkers into play every turn with the agenda and just killing the berserkers every time. He'll aways be in your dead pile and you get free mil claim EVERY turn! That's just one combo. I'll let you guys think about others before touching on them.

ProfessorWerewolf
May 09 2012 03:00 PM

I'm always a big fan of cards that let you take control of dead characters. This makes me want to play Stark a little bit more.

jackmerridew
May 09 2012 05:54 PM

i think the text is better than people give it credit for but i really hate idea of the kindly man having a house affiliation

doulos2k
May 11 2012 04:40 AM

jackmerridew, on 09 May 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

i think the text is better than people give it credit for but i really hate idea of the kindly man having a house affiliation

Exactly the same thought I had... Stark? Really... I mean, I get it, but... really?

slothgodfather
May 11 2012 03:47 PM

I'm still waiting for Staton to spill some more ideas on how to use thim effectively, although the Umber murder trick is pretty awesome in itself.

ericdb92
May 12 2012 06:52 PM

For all these agenda characters, since they are attached to your house card instead of going to the dead pile, can you play another copy of them after they become your agenda?

slothgodfather
May 12 2012 10:45 PM

I believe the answer is yes because A) they didn't die and B ) as an agenda they are no longer in play.

Kennit
Aug 08 2012 09:58 PM

If you use TKM to pick a character with stalwart or use Banner for the North (CtB) as an attachment, does the char go to the top of the deck instead of the discard pile?

Quote

Stalwart
When a card with the “Stalwart” keyword is killed or discarded from play, it is placed on the top of its owner’s deck instead of being placed in the dead or discard pile

Grimwalker
Aug 08 2012 11:31 PM

Kennit, on 08 August 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

If you use TKM to pick a character with stalwart or use Banner for the North (CtB) as an attachment, does the char go to the top of the deck instead of the discard pile?

Well played, sir.

slothgodfather
Aug 09 2012 01:29 PM

Are passives allowed at the "end of phase"?

Grimwalker
Aug 09 2012 03:22 PM

Does Stalwart necessarily need to activate during the Passives phase?

Here's how I read it: Character at end of phase goes Moribund: Dead Pile or Moribund: Discard Pile, as appropriate. Stalwart doesn't seem to be an activated effect, just a logic check. IF Moribund destination = Discard or Dead Pile, THEN destination = top of deck.

Contrast FAQ 4.14 Keywords: "Keyword effects with a point of initiation (such as ambush) cannot be canceled. Characters can be saved from the effects of a keyword like deadly."

The implication is that some keywords to not have a point of initiation, therefore do not necessarily trigger during the Passives or Response window. Stalwart is worded as a simple "instead" effect, so that's why I think when TKM discards a character, the "When a card with the “Stalwart” keyword is killed or discarded from play" text takes precedence.

slothgodfather
Aug 09 2012 04:36 PM

That's true. Pretty creative way of getting a character back into your draw deck.

WWDrakey
Aug 09 2012 07:13 PM

Oh, and for the record, passives are allowed in the end of the phase. It's just Response:s (and the step they are triggered in) that don't work there. For example, Kings of Winter (TWoW)'s effect is a passive that triggers in the end-end-of-phase framework.

Oh, and I think Grimwalker's idea works. As far as I can tell Stalwart is a constant replacement effect, which changes the moribund state to moribund:deck. (From the definition in CS rules, note the magic word instead in there.)

Kennit
Aug 22 2012 03:38 PM

So like The Viper's Bannermen (PotS) will not be triggerd Parting Blow (PotS) can not be played "at the end of the phase"?

Staton
Aug 22 2012 04:05 PM

This is correct.

Mulletcheese
Aug 24 2012 07:23 AM

What happens when I am already one, or more, agendas and the kindly man dies?

Kennit
Aug 24 2012 09:51 AM

Only one Kindly Man can become an agenda. Another Kindly Man is treated as a character --> you can play another copy of them after one become your agenda.

slothgodfather
Aug 24 2012 02:46 PM

Mulletcheese, on 24 August 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

What happens when I am already one, or more, agendas and the kindly man dies?

If you are already running an agenda, regardless of it is the Kindly Man or any other standard agenda(s), and you have a Kindly Man in play that dies, he goes to the dead pile just like every other dead character would.