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The Grand Melee - Usual Suspects


Welcome back to the Grand Melee! As Regionals season is now well underway, this week’s article will have a look at some of the common archetypes you can expect to face during a Melee tournament. This is by no means a comprehensive list, rather it’s a reminder of what are think are strong decks that can be expected to perform well in the hands of an experienced player. I will try and explain their strengths and weaknesses and hopefully give a little advice into how to counter them best. Also remember you are not alone on a Melee table, and that everyone is out there to win it, so if you cannot directly hinder one of these archetypes, chances are someone else will be able to. Don’t hesitate to enlist the help of the player with the deck best-suited to fight the opposing players; especially if you are then better suited to edge them out for the win.

Let’s get this underway with a classic deck: Stark The Siege of Winterfell (LoW). This is a staple archetype, both in Joust and in Melee. I feel it is even stronger in Melee for multiple reasons. This deck will always find a weaker opponent to push its military challenges through, the Kingsguard Title really helps them get extra military wins, and finally the power provided by the agenda really helps for a game-ending power-rush. There are a few variations of this deck, but all of them focus heavily on military (doh!) with cards like Northern Cavalry Flank (SA). They will have ways of winning military challenges and cards that reward them for doing so, like No Quarter (TBC). The ways to slow them down remain the same though. Do not declare military challenges against them if you can! Keep your military defences high! No wins in military challenges means no power for them. I realise you cannot do this all the time, but even one challenge less per turn could break their chances of winning. A much easier way to hinder them is to grab the Kingsguard Title before them. This will allow you to defend against them more easily and prevent them from getting an easy redirection.

Next up is another Melee classic: Targaryen Dragons. I feel this is one of the strongest decks right now. Its sheer rush capabilities are frightening. I’ve seen them pull off first turn wins. This is especially true for those than run the Heir to the Iron Throne (QoD) agenda. Like the Siege decks, they focus on one challenge primarily, namely Power. That alone is a strong asset in Melee, meaning it will be hard to drag them away from the win. Being a very offensive deck, they might run cards like Loyalty Money Can Buy (QoD), or Lineage and Legacy (KotStorm)to protect themselves. Otherwise they will run Melee classics like Superior Claim (KotStorm) to pull off the win as soon as possible. One example of such a deck can be found here: http://www.cardgamed...e-with-dragons. Like the Siege decks, however, there are a couple of ways of hindering them. Unsurprisingly, grabbing the Crown regent before them will annoy them. But most and foremost, kill Daenerys Targaryen (QoD) on sight! She is the real engine behind this deck. And she has renown as well. Another possibility is the run Shadows and Spiders (LotR) as these decks tend to be weak in intrigue. This works exceptionally well against those that play the agenda as they usually forfeit intrigue altogether. As an added bonus this also works quite well against Siege decks.

One cannot consider strong Melee archetypes without mentioning House Baratheon. While it is no longer the ultimate powerhouse it was when the Melee format began it still has so many rush capabilities that it is always a force to consider. In my experience, the strongest stags in Melee are Asshai decks. These decks have a good spread of icons and will often be able to pick their targets to their advantage. Furthermore the The Power of Faith (KotStorm) is an extremely good closing plot. Especially when supported by Melisandre (RotO). These decks are very well rounded and can be quite difficult to stop because of that. They probably won’t win on turn one or two, but turn three is the average. In terms of fighting them I would look at character control. They need their renown and their character abilities, so cards like Frozen Moat (BtW) and Nightmares (LoW) can really hurt them. Their other issue is that they usually don’t have a massive strength, so if players collaborate, they can usually limit the number of challenges the Baratheon player can push through as they lack the cards to help them win challenges. Of course this can be a double-edged sword as the Baratheon player will know what is going to happen.

The last archetype I will mention here is what I call the Lazy Lannister. The idea behind this deck is to win power through other means than challenges. There are many cards that allow this such as Winter Festival (WotN), Orphaned Recruit (OSaS), Maester Creylen (FtC) and the infamous Infamous! (LotR) These cards allow the Lannister player to win either in the Marshalling phase or through the action of others during the challenge phase. And this is very difficult to prevent as you cannot stop doing anything during the Challenge phase. Furthermore it’s hard to stop him from recruiting anything either. This seems like a very strong deck to stop. Fortunately it is not that unstoppable. It normally doesn’t have a massive board presence, so its defences are usually weak. You can also cancel Infamous! or the Recruit. This is one of the decks that can both go horribly wrong or have a stroke of god luck on any given day and can feel unstoppable sometimes. Maybe that’s its main weakness, it’s a bit unstable to always be brutal.

Notice there are no Martell or Greyjoy decks in there. This is not because I feel they can not win a Melee but because many different archetypes are possible out of these Houses and I cannot list them all here. The field is quite open right now, as long as you play an aggressive deck ;) The only other advice I can give you is to pack some counters, like Paper Shield (QoD). They will always come in handy. And on that bombshell, I’ll see you next week! Thanks for reading!


12 Comments

I dont see the example of the Targ deck you posted.

Also- how does this win turn 1?

emptyrepublic
May 03 2012 06:55 PM
Two Superior Claim (KotStorm) and a Make an Example (PotS) is 7 power right there. Depending on the two power challenges you can get another 4 depending on unopposed and claim. A couple of renown across the two power and military challenges along with dominance and you can lock in a first turn win.

jackmerridew
May 03 2012 07:03 PM
it can win turn 1 but only if no one in the melee drawed paper shield, hands judgement or other disruption cards
Being one who runs Dragons in Melee... I'd be curious to see the deck as well. I've pulled a Turn 3 win pretty handily in Melee - got close to a Turn 2, but I've never pulled a Turn 1 (just never had the cards). Drawing two Superior Claim, a Make an Example AND ensuring you have at least one Dragon plus Dany in play (probably along with Yunkai) would be an EPIC draw.... never happened to me though. :-)
Really loved the listings here... I've run into Siege a lot in Melee (it seems the most popular for newer players) with Dragons being a close 2nd.

I would be curious if you had any thoughts about what you think are the strongest archetypes you've faced or seen using Martell or Greyjoy in Melee? I've played against KotHH decks and Summer decks (and some agenda-less decks) in Martell... what really works out there? Also, with Greyjoy, it seems a lot weaker in Melee (since Choke seems really hard in a Melee theme... but I know Kennon was running Greyjoy in Melee... so maybe he's the one to ask).

Anyway - love these types of articles that look at what's popular and strong and what strategy to use to overcome those strengths. Thanks.
I tend toward some variation of Greyjoy unopposed in melee. The year that Brett won his melee championship, he was running a variation on the same deck that I ran that year with a 4 or 5 card difference. The year before that I took GJ unopposed to the final 4 at GenCon myself. Last year, I played a GJ unopposed Holy crested deck to my melee Regional win in MN and the final table in MO, and Kevin won in MO playing a copy of my deck, with if I recall, a two card swap because he couldn't find extra copies of Streets.

At Tulsa this year, I played a GJ holy unopposed with a slight mill theme for the incidental effects (draw from Euron and Fishmonger's Square, and power form Corpse Lake) with 2 melee seconds and all the cards in hand and on the table to have taken the win as soon as it got to me on the turn that others (including Doulous2k :P ) beat me to it. I'd say this indicates to me that some variation on the deck is still quite potent, but I've already got a few tweaks in mind to bring this year's model up to speed.
Sorry about the missing link guys, the non-edited version of the article got published. I will edit right now. But the link is here as well juste in case : http://www.cardgamed...ce-with-dragons.
Regarding the first turn win, let's do the maths:
1-2 power for unnopposed
1 power for opposition
1 power for power challenge claim
1-3 power for renown (with yunkai or danerys)
1-2 power through rhaegal's ability
2 power with superior claim
3 power with make an example
1 power for dominance

That's between 11 and 18 power in one turn. Yes it's ideal scenario, but with the massive card draw and tutoring available in melee it's not that uncommon. And I'm not even counting other possible gains like winter festival or Aggo.

playgroundpsychotic
May 04 2012 04:40 AM
Targ can make use of The Dragon Strikes (GotC). If you got Dany and one Dragon out it can generate 3 power through Renown and can not be countered with Paper Shield. Having the Deadly is helpful when you don't have the extra Stealth of multiple Dragons.

jackmerridew
May 04 2012 01:07 PM
so it's not that uncommon for you to draw Daenrys, Rhaegal, another dragon, make an example, superior claim, and yunkai. while being able to pay for them all and use them successfully in at least 2 attacks in the first challenge phase while none of your opponents have hit you with any cancels, disruptions, targeted kills or redirects?
90% of times, your first plot will be either summoning season or building season. If your deal with another player, which you should, you'll have a tutor for both locations and characters. If you drew yunkai you can deal your summoning season with another players to have to characters to fetch. Your chance of getting dany a dragon and yunkai are thus pretty high.

Second you don't have to pay for all of them with gold. The dragons have ambush and their is alos ambush from the plains, so gold is not the limiting factor.

The only things that can really hurt you is cancels and direct kill. Those are usually events as well and your opponents have the same chance of drawing them as you have of drawing you rush events. So yes it's a coin toss but getting all the piece together those happen. I'd say it happens maybe 20% of the time. Nobody being actually able to stop you maybe happens 10% of the time. But that's still a fairly high chance of a first turn win in my opinion.
Totally love The Dragon Strikes (GotC) - I've just never been able to keep it in my deck. Between Dance With Dragons (Core), Ambush from the Plains (QoD), Superior Claim (KotStorm), and Make an Example (PotS) - I can't ever seem to keep an event slot open.

I tend to rely on Yunkai (QoD) for extra renown and Qarth (QoD) for extra deadly (but obviously there are difficulties using locations... cost, slots, location hate, etc.)