Jump to content

Welcome to Card Game DB
Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!
Photo

Conquest - New WH40K based LCG from FFG?


  • Please log in to reply
211 replies to this topic

#21
dboeren

dboeren

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 2834 posts
Call of Cthulhu also just says "The Card Game" - plus as he said there is the LCG symbol even if it is fuzzy.

You gave up on pods too soon! They're amazing!


I've got all the SW LCG stuff other than the multiplayer box (I have played a few multiplayer games, just don't own it) and I still don't like pods either. It's a cool new concept, but I feel the idea needs some tuning. I still believe that a future game with pod-based construction that learns from Star Wars's flaws could be awesome.

Anyway, hoping that FFG has an official announcement up soon and we can start to get some real information about the 40K game.

#22
Tragic

Tragic

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 1661 posts

Thanks, will read through those. I figured Space Marines were definitely a lock for a faction in the card game, but I know little of the other factions beyond knowing a few names like Eldar and Tau.


It is still warhammer so you have seen all the factions really in the other game.. there are only 3 new ones really.. Necrons (read the lexiconon their history it is seriously awesome) Tau, and Tyrinids.

The thing is that there are so many factions inside the main races. Like you could make a card game JUST with space marines and have it like aGoT.. Bloodifst, Space Wolves, Untramariens etc etc. They are all "Space Marines" but it would be mega strange to have them in he same decks... (unless they use a PoD system for putting in entire squads, I guess that could work)

I think FFG should do what Raven Software did and invent there own chapter for the game. The Blood Ravens are so famous people think they are a legit chapter!

These are the factions I would like to see:

Space Marines, Chaos Marines, Eldar, Orcs, Imperial Guard, Tyrinids. I think this would make a good Core Set. All the famous ones are in there, + one of the more unique ones .. though bio-monster aliens hive minds are preety common scifi idea now.. but it was super original 30 years ago!

Then in Necrons and Tau in a deluxe.. they are "kinda of" linked in the lore.. so would make a good duel faction intro box, and EVERYone will be cursing necrons and tau were not in core so it would selel instantly.

then Chaos Demons and Dark Elder introduced soon after.

That is 9 factions, 6 to start. You could probably fold Chaos Demons into Chaos Marines (though they are completely separate codexes now) and Imperial Guard into Space Marines (but that would suck).

I hope they incorporate different planets and stuff.. maybe a story deck type thing like in CoC. In the game many planets are functional.. like a forge world (industrial production planet) or w/e. So fighting over planets and gaining powers off the planet cards when you control them would work really well.

I really hope this is not a hoax.. (fallout 4 style) I have been hoping for a 40K game for a LONG time.

Check Out: Vaults of Terra - https://www.youtube....z-WT305CKiu719Q

It is a 40K Lore uTube chan.. it is mainly focused on Marines, but grab "Best Video Downloader" addon for firefox and leech the eps as MP3s, they make great PoDcast on the way to work!

One thing I hope they do NOT do is split the races into 2 factions. Any faction should be able to fight any other faction, CoC style.

The real problem for a LCG though is multi colour decks. It would be very wired to make a deck with Chaos Mariens and Eldar for example.... and with out being able to mix factions the deck building options are small. .so they might have to make 2 "alliances"

#23
Magni

Magni

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 287 posts
FFG is literally sitting on a mountain of 40k Art - i bet we will see this previewed/released at gencon/worlds.

#24
Magni

Magni

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 287 posts
Additionally - I wonder if they will use a "pip" system for splashes or use it more in the agot style when it comes to mixed decks, or have restrictions - as of right now i think GW's idea of "alliances" as a stupid front to get you to buy more figures for your main army so i wonder.

#25
Tragic

Tragic

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 1661 posts

Additionally - I wonder if they will use a "pip" system for splashes or use it more in the agot style when it comes to mixed decks, or have restrictions - as of right now i think GW's idea of "alliances" as a stupid front to get you to buy more figures for your main army so i wonder.


total agree

The problem is how can you mix these factions and keep the lore.. Like you couldn't mix Thousand Sons (Chaos Marines) with Dark Angels (Space Marines) for example. So unlike all cool card games there is NO WAY you can mix any of the factions.. this would really suck... but there is no real way around this.. unless they split them into 2 sides.

#26
Skelton

Skelton

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 2089 posts
I assume they would follow a similar system to Warhammer Invasion. You have Order and Destruction and the 2 sides can not join one another but they can freely mix with other factions from the same side.

Quite looking forward to this but I feel there could be a number of pitfalls which I hope they succeed in avoiding.

#27
VonWibble

VonWibble

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2996 posts

I think FFG should do what Raven Software did and invent there own chapter for the game. The Blood Ravens are so famous people think they are a legit chapter!


After those games the next Space Marine Codex did include Blood Ravens iirc, so they are a legit chapter.

My only hope is that they don't go the way of 40K and have basically red space marines, blue space marines, yellow space marines, green space marines, black space marines, silver space marries etc as their factions.

If we assume 4 factions to start with (only Cthulu has more unless you count the few cards in WHI that are not the base 4) then I'd expect Space Marines, Orks, Eldar and Chaos (hopefully integrating Daemons into this so they are diverse enough from the space marines). Maybe Tyranids instead of the latter.

#28
Tragic

Tragic

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 1661 posts
if they do not have tyrinids in core it would be criminal.. Necrons and Tau should be there.. but I think they could be a good target for deluxe expansions to introduce those factions a little after core. Dark Elder could go nice in core, as they are "kinda" like Chaos Marines, as in a opposite of a existing faction (yeah I know but to non 40K people eldar / dark eldar is like that)

CoC has 8 Factions + Neutral.... so there is precedence for many factions...

The problem is how to make decks? Like sure you could split the factions into 2... but exactly who would go were? Space Marines and Elder in the same faction?.. lol.. as if. Orcs and Humans? Tyrinids and anyone?

There is no way lore wise you can make a split between the factions and there is no way lore wise you can mix factions in the same deck.

This is a real problem.

#29
Toqtamish

Toqtamish

    Conquest Rules Arbitrator

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 3289 posts
There's a Tau Gun Drone card on the website pic that is floating around. And Dark Eldar are on the box art.

#30
Tragic

Tragic

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 1661 posts
well there is no proof it is real at all.. could be a fan hoax. Still if they do it they should do all the factions imo.

Besides.. what exactly is the dark edler and tau on the box?

No one has offered even a guess at how they would handle multi factions yet..

#31
Toqtamish

Toqtamish

    Conquest Rules Arbitrator

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 3289 posts
Tau aren't on the box. It's a card. Between the Cato Sicarius and Ork card.

Dark Eldar are on the box fighting Space Marines.


#32
Magni

Magni

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 287 posts
I think alot like WHI there will be some factions relegated to neutral status till a deluxe releases for them.

Core Factions will be Ork, Space Marine, Chaos, Eldar of some type, Tau (if we have seen a card) That said i think IG might go the Neutral Route - same with Necrons. The thing that i cant help get excited about with this game is... it can VERY easily start with the "identity" cards we see in netrunner. Chapters, Houses, Cults, Clans, this is what SW is lacking at the moment. you will have your red blue and green marines, but you will have chapters that make your generic "space marine" cards play like they are part of the blood angels or ultra marines. making it so they have to release less cards with more options.

#33
Tragic

Tragic

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 1661 posts
Yeah we can all agree on the factions, but deck building is about mixing factions. You can not have eldar and space mariens in the same deck that would be ludicrous.

Lets take the main famous factions.. Elder, Orc, Chaos, Imperia, Tyranids. How exactly can these factions be put into 2 main alliances and make sense? That is what I am wondering.

Tau aren't on the box. It's a card. Between the Cato Sicarius and Ork card.

Dark Eldar are on the box fighting Space Marines.


??? you must bve looking at different GFX. There are no dark elder on the box and the 3rd card "could" be a tau it is pretty hard to tell.. doesn't look tau to me, I mean it is curved.

#34
Toqtamish

Toqtamish

    Conquest Rules Arbitrator

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 3289 posts
Maybe there won't be two main alliances. Maybe they'll have multiple groups. Drawing comparisons to WHI might be a mistake.

Those are clearly Eldar on the box and considering the ship being shot at by the Thunderhawk looks an awful lot like a Raider and one of them in the foreground is wielding some crazy whip with barbs on the end I would say they are Dark.

The card says Gun Drone on it which is a Tau thing. And it's curved and orange. Again all recognizable Tau characteristics.

#35
Skelton

Skelton

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 2089 posts
The Gun Drone is 100% Tau but I doubt they will be represented in the main box. They aren't a big enough army for a 'main' faction, at least in the core set. I expect a deluxe expansion later with both Tau and Necron in. I would also assume that the 2 Eldar would be in a deluxe as well.

I predict that the core set will have Chaos (Always expect Chaos as one of the main races as they are solely GW's baby), Marines & or Imperium. Not quite sure how that would work (It would be possible for the Imperium to be represented in a single combined faction rather than distinguishing between Guard, various Marine chapters, Squats, Imperial Agents, The Inquisition etc). Orks will obviously one of the core set factions

Not sure where 'Nids will feature but I assume they will.

Out of curiosity, what do people feel about the potential success for this game? Invasion was a little bit of a flop and I'm not sure if this will be the same.

#36
Toqtamish

Toqtamish

    Conquest Rules Arbitrator

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 3289 posts
It's never happened before that a non core set card is on the website for a game when it goes up so I find it unlikely we won't see Tau in core set.

#37
Skelton

Skelton

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 2089 posts
Oh, it wouldn't surprise me to see a few Eldar/Tau/Necron/'Nid/ etc cards in the set as well as the core stuff. It just allows for a little diversity in deckbuilding. Tau would surprise me if they were in core but if the marines and Guard etc are all Imperium then it would make sense to have Tau in the box.

#38
dboeren

dboeren

    Advanced Member

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 2834 posts

If we assume 4 factions to start with (only Cthulu has more unless you count the few cards in WHI that are not the base 4)


Netrunner has 7 factions in the base set and none of them are token "show a few cards" factions.


Out of curiosity, what do people feel about the potential success for this game? Invasion was a little bit of a flop and I'm not sure if this will be the same.


Without knowing anything about the mechanics we're only guessing based on theme. Personally I don't think 40K is a great theme for mass-market appeal but we'll see how it goes.

Also, the market now is vastly different from when WH:I came out. Due to the success of Netrunner and to a lesser extent Star Wars there are *ton* more eyeballs watching for new LCGs than there ever were before. This will probably translate into a lot more people at least trying it out and if the mechanics are great it should catch on decently no matter whether the theme is hot or not.

I'm not sure how much relation Invasion has to this either. 40K is a significantly more popular game, plus better known among non-minis players due to various video games, plus as I mentioned a lot more people are watching the LCG market now. I think it will get the chance to fly or fall based on its own merits - which at this point are of course totally unknown :)
  • HappyDD and Magni like this

#39
Toqtamish

Toqtamish

    Conquest Rules Arbitrator

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 3289 posts
40K is a lot more popular than Warhammer. I know in my immediate group of friends we have 5 of us that are former 40k mini gamers. We are all interested in a 40K card game. I've been in to 40K for going on 22 years so this will be something I play along with Star Wars. I would love to see it set based but I doubt they will do that again so soon after Star Wars.

#40
Toqtamish

Toqtamish

    Conquest Rules Arbitrator

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPip
  • 3289 posts
This was posted by FinalPhoenix over on BGG. So true sadly.


[attachment=741:image.jpg]
  • Darksbane likes this