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Recent Card Discussion
Gustaf Johansen
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Yesterday, 05:24 PM by Yipe

Even as a disrupt, I'm not exactly sure how it would work due to the timing structure.  The Plague Stone's action hasn't resolved yet so no characters have left the board when the disrupt triggers.  I feel it would have to be worded quite differently.

Gustaf Johansen
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Yesterday, 05:10 PM by VonWibble

I don't think referring to subtype counts as self-referential. Don't think there is a precedent for that. I agree with Yipe that Gustaf can't trigger on himself on account of the timing chart.


Well, its not self referential as Yipe says above, but The Lost City of Pnakatos for example works when Yithians enter play and is itself a Yithian, so gets to trigger when played. So if Gustaf's ability had been an interrupt, you would get a card on leaving play as he is a cultist.

But it isn't an interrupt, so you don't.
Gustaf Johansen
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Yesterday, 04:49 PM by Yipe

You can't draw with Gustaf off the Plague Stone.  He has a forced response, which only triggers after the action has been resolved.  At that point he's off the board.  Self-referential refers to the name of the card, not the subtype.

 

Basically, in order for you to trigger Gustaf's ability he must remain on the board.  This is why you can't sacrifice him + a bunch of other cultists to Fiona Day and get success tokens and card draw for all of them.

Gustaf Johansen
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Yesterday, 02:15 PM by Arocle

I don't think referring to subtype counts as self-referential. Don't think there is a precedent for that. I agree with Yipe that Gustaf can't trigger on himself on account of the timing chart.

Gustaf Johansen
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Yesterday, 11:57 AM by Draconav

Actually, you can trigger the response from Gustaf for himself as he IS referring to himself as a cultist character (FAQ, Responses on Cards Leaving Play). And you would get to draw three cards for an effect like Plague Stone as the characters are put simultaneously in the discard pile, but you choose the order placing them one by one (FAQ, 1.7 Simultaneous Effects).

P.S. I must confess that up until now, I thought I could draw 1 card with Gustaf.

Terrors in the Dark
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Feb 26 2015 12:44 PM by WWDrakey

Yes, on both accounts. Note however that the card needs to be played, so triggering something like a Black Dog or Master of Myths from hand does not count for it. 

Terrors in the Dark
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Feb 26 2015 08:56 AM by Mnemonaut

Played yesterday against this card and my opponent had the chance to play his whole playset. Since it isn't a unique card, can there be three copies of Terrors in the Dark on one player's side (and does its effect stack)?

Gustaf Johansen
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Feb 25 2015 05:12 PM by Yipe

In case of the Plague Stone, you wouldn't draw any cards as Gustaf would no longer be in play.

 

The reason you don't draw a card(s) is due to the timing chart:  Actions must fully resolve before forced responses/responses can be triggered.

 

With the Plague Stone example, all characters are destroyed as a result of the action.  After all characters are destroyed, the window opens up for responses.  However, there aren't any characters left on the board to trigger their response so nothing happens.  Gustaf would need something self-referential in his triggered text, such as "When Gustaf leaves play..." 

Gustaf Johansen
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Feb 25 2015 04:50 PM by ssjevot

I think the consensus is that you actually don't draw a card when he leaves play, which is incredibly confusing to me, but I'll assume dboeren is right.

Functional Psychopath
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Feb 25 2015 03:32 PM by ultimate26

best way to use this guy? make him not commit to the story to use him as board control?

 

Combo with college prospects?

Gustaf Johansen
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Feb 25 2015 03:31 PM by ultimate26

So to verify, he has a forced response therefore when he leaves play you draw a card right? if like vonwibble says, plague stone is used on 3 cultists including gustaf, do you draw 3 cards or only 1?

Calling The Darkness
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Feb 25 2015 03:28 PM by ultimate26

it doesnt need to be printed icons right? you can use characters or support effects that grant extra icons and then make those characters insane?

Sieur Piriou Louis
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Feb 25 2015 10:10 AM by Arocle

No, only those who can go insane are affected.

Sieur Piriou Louis
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Feb 25 2015 09:11 AM by Mnemonaut

Do other characters go insane even if they have a [Terror] icon or the Willpower keyword?

Gustaf Johansen
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Feb 23 2015 07:05 PM by VonWibble

Looking for tricks to get around a Cultist deck drawing a load of cards VonWibble  ;)


I wasn't involved in the game, just curious on a ruling. Haven't decided if I'm going for cultists or not yet.

Suffice to say if I don't take cultists then Negotium looks very tempting...
Gustaf Johansen
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Feb 23 2015 06:42 PM by dboeren

Peaslee refers to himself.  It says "After Professor Nathaniel Peaslee enters your discard pile".  That is what they mean by a card responding to itself leaving play.  Gustaf does not specifically refer to himself leaving play so this part of the FAQ does not apply to him.

Gustaf Johansen
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Feb 23 2015 04:24 PM by ssjevot

The FAQ suggests you can draw the card due to the strange exception that exists for being able to trigger a response from a card that just left play if it references it.  I think this card qualifies for that condition:

 

Responses on Cards Leaving Play
Some cards respond to themselves leaving play, self-referentially, or to effects that may cause that card to leave play. Such responses can be triggered as if the card were still in play. Note that only Response or Forced Response effects can be triggered in this manner, and they must respond to leaving play or the effect that causes them to leave play. Cards may not take “one last Action” before they leave play.

For Example: The “Response:” effect on Professor Nathaniel Peaslee (Core Set F24) can be triggered in response to Professor Nathaniel Peaslee entering the discard pile from play.

Calling The Darkness
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Feb 23 2015 02:16 PM by NuFenix

Has anyone used this successfully yet?

Functional Psychopath
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Feb 23 2015 01:47 PM by Danigral

It can be any character - namely THE character - with the lowest cost.

Gustaf Johansen
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Feb 23 2015 12:55 PM by NuFenix

I concur.

 

FAQ 1.2 states "Support and Character card effects can only be triggered (or affect the game) when the card is in play." As such, by the time you would be on the Response window of the timing structure, he isn't in play to draw.

If he were a Disrupt like you mention, in a similar manner to Roald Ellsworth, then you would draw before they all leave play.

 

Looking for tricks to get around a Cultist deck drawing a load of cards VonWibble  ;)



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