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Subliminal Messaging
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Today, 10:29 AM by bozfoogle

I am a little confused about the second part on this one. When does it trigger?

Directly when played? Or at the start of corp's next turn (from the archives - is that even possible?)

 

Let's say the runner completed his turn without a single run and I, as the corp, am playing this card. May I add it back to HQ at the start of my next turn?

When you play it you get a single credit and it goes into Archives like any other card. The Runner has their turn. When it comes for the corp to take their next turn, the window of time prior to the corp drawing their mandatory card is considered the start of the turn. During this period, provided that the runner did not make a single run during their previous turn, the corp may add Subliminal Messaging back into their hand.

 

This window is important to know about, because it's also relevant to rezzing cards. Just as a for instance, when I first started playing I had no idea that you could rez an Adonis Campaign and immediately take 3 credits from it.

Subliminal Messaging
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Yesterday, 04:40 PM by Meadbeard

As to your second question, no.  At least not if they made a run on the turn after you played it.  The good news is now they are forced to choose between running on a server or giving you a free credit.  If you've got sufficiently protected servers, it effectively says, "lose a click to prevent the corp from gaining 1 credit."  If all of your servers have taxing ICE at the top, the proposition is even worse for the runner.

 

The text is active in Archives, and any time this card is sitting in Archives and the Runner fails to make a run, it is added back to HQ at the beginning of the following Corp turn, which is quite clear in the FAQ, which states that . . .

 

"When adding a facedown Subliminal Messaging in Archives to HQ, the Corp must reveal it to the Runner." (FAQ 2.1, page 9)

 

If Subliminal Messaging had just been played, it would not -- and cannot -- be face down in Archives. Since the FAQ clearly states that a face down Subliminal Messaging must be revealed as it is being added to HQ, it must have been discarded in an unrevealed state. Ergo, the text is active in Archives, just like most other cards. In fact, cards that are not active in Archives clearly state this as the case (e.g. Snare; Fetal AI).

 

I just want to be clear here: the original query was not totally clear on timing, etc. Once Subliminal Messaging hits Archives, its Archives-specific text is very much in play, and from that point forward, any time a Runner fails to make a run for an entire turn, it may move to HQ.

Subliminal Messaging
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Yesterday, 01:04 AM by Meadbeard

Lots of cards have text that is active in Archives: Shock!, Shi.Kyu, Space Camp, Cyberdex Virus Suite, etc.

Subliminal Messaging
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Yesterday, 12:44 AM by Sabin76

The text implies that it does, indeed, stay active in archives, automatically checking to see if the runner made any runs on their turn and magically appearing in the corps hand at the start of the corp's turn if they didn't.

 

As to your second question, no.  At least not if they made a run on the turn after you played it.  The good news is now they are forced to choose between running on a server or giving you a free credit.  If you've got sufficiently protected servers, it effectively says, "lose a click to prevent the corp from gaining 1 credit."  If all of your servers have taxing ICE at the top, the proposition is even worse for the runner.

Subliminal Messaging
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Aug 02 2015 10:37 PM by kleinhusten

I am a little confused about the second part on this one. When does it trigger?

Directly when played? Or at the start of corp's next turn (from the archives - is that even possible?)

 

Let's say the runner completed his turn without a single run and I, as the corp, am playing this card. May I add it back to HQ at the start of my next turn?

Gingerbread
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Aug 02 2015 09:30 AM by dr00

i think it's actually pretty terrible against Gutenberg:  5c to prevent one tag?  i'd rather just take the time to clear it, even against Sync

even against one not on R&D, it's still 3c to avoid 1 tag, which is only slightly better than just removing it normally, only you don't have to install this program to do that.

 

5c to get through Shinobi and 4c for Assassin will be nice, though, once Surveillance Sweep reverses the math on all of those mid-run traces.

Zed 1.0
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Aug 02 2015 04:09 AM by Sabin76

Hmmm, Port Anson Grid and Batty make this almost playable in an HB brain damage deck.  Batty is pretty much an auto-include in that deck anyway, so we will just have to see if people can find the room for PAG and Zed and pray the runner clicks past some ICE.  Still pretty much a one shot deal, but might be able to open up a scoring window while the runner scrambles for a killer on your scoring server.

Zed 1.0
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Jul 31 2015 05:50 PM by Meadbeard

It's funnier never having played borderlands. The notion of an A.I. encountering a biological brain for the first time and finding it alien and inscrutable just tickles me.

 

Always go to the source:

 

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal!  Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

 

-- Terry Bisson, They're Made out of Meat (1990)

Data Folding
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Jul 31 2015 06:59 AM by Junkenstein
Interesting meta with Cortex Lock around. Does the runner want spare MU?
Exposé
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Jul 30 2015 12:31 PM by kleinhusten

I'm not sure how you got the idea that they AP was talking about putting this is a deck solely to bait the runner.  The conversation was about including illicit ICE so BP was to be expected.  I wonder if we might see this in GRNDL decks so that it can be used (as bait?) no matter when it's drawn.

to be honest, i wasn't aware of the previous conversation. my bad.

Exposé
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Jul 30 2015 12:40 AM by AdorablePython

What he meant was that the bait wouldn't be too much of a tax, since BP cheapens runs. And I partly agree. However, BP isn't very impactful on a single run. Its true potential comes from running multiple times. Saving 2 credits on the bait run isn't that much of a problem. It is a problem however when the runner is running your centrals like mad.

Exposé
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Jul 30 2015 12:24 AM by Sabin76

Only partly right. You wouldn't include this card in your deck, if there isn't any BP in the first place. Therefore, by the time this card sees play, the corp already suffers some BP.

This baitrun might not be as taxing as one hopes.

I'm not sure how you got the idea that they AP was talking about putting this is a deck solely to bait the runner.  The conversation was about including illicit ICE so BP was to be expected.  I wonder if we might see this in GRNDL decks so that it can be used (as bait?) no matter when it's drawn.

Exposé
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Jul 29 2015 09:15 AM by dr00

Only partly right. You wouldn't include this card in your deck, if there isn't any BP in the first place. Therefore, by the time this card sees play, the corp already suffers some BP.
This baitrun might not be as taxing as one hopes.

doesn't have to be.  for example, you could put this behind two illicit ICE and clear the bad pub before they ever get a chance to use any of it.
 
but like AdorablePython said, the main appeal of this card is that, like Thomas Hass and unlike Junebug, Aggressive Secretary, or Cerebral Overwriter, it can actually do something if the runner doesn't call your bluff.  even in the above scenario, just wait till you rezz some illicit ICE somewhere else (or however else you're generating bad pub) and then trash it.  i've been running a Making News deck with Muckrakers and Shinobi lately, and Exposé has been doing some serious work.

Exposé
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Jul 28 2015 03:39 PM by kleinhusten

Only partly right. You wouldn't include this card in your deck, if there isn't any BP in the first place. Therefore, by the time this card sees play, the corp already suffers some BP.

This baitrun might not be as taxing as one hopes.

Exposé
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Jul 28 2015 12:32 PM by AdorablePython

Don't underestimate its baiting capacities. The runner assumes it's an Agenda and therefore spends credits to get into that server. However, you will then trash it just before the runner has access - just like Thomas Haas. That's the advantage over, let's say, Witness Tampering.

Capital Investors
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Jul 27 2015 06:38 PM by Meadbeard

Considering Private Contracts needs 3 to rez, can only be used 7 times (IF not trashed) and has the same click to credit ratio, this is a vastly superior version of it. I never include the Contracts anymore in my Weyland decks, the Investors are all that I need. 

 

If we're talking trash costs (i.e. the whole picture), this is not vastly superior to Private Contracts, which trashes at 5.

 

Capital Investors has a 1-credit advantage from the time it is played through the first 7 clicks. You'll only get more than 7 clicks (or even that many) if you've invested in protecting it, as it is trivial to trash. You'd want to include the protection investment into the calculation.

 

It's already been brought up that it makes R&D more porous, but the only way it's actually getting "ahead" of Private Contracts is if the Runner is feeling sleepy.

Capital Investors
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Jul 27 2015 08:26 AM by Copydawg

Considering Private Contracts needs 3 to rez, can only be used 7 times (IF not trashed) and has the same click to credit ratio, this is a vastly superior version of it. I never include the Contracts anymore in my Weyland decks, the Investors are all that I need. 

Genetic Resequencing
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Jul 27 2015 05:34 AM by Meadbeard

Is there anything that lets Agenda counters be moved about? I notice its a counter placed on an agenda, not an agenda that can have counters.

 

It matters to Mark Yale, but that's a goofy economy if ever there was one.

Guard
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Jul 26 2015 06:24 AM by Sabin76

The flavor text is quite good, but I read it as doing exactly what the tin says, "...his grip on cyberspace loosened." is a talking about ending a run.  The stuff in the middle is how he couldn't bypass it.  "He desperately reached for his shuriken..." sounds to me like he's getting his killer (ninja) ready to take out the sentry he thought he was going to bypass.

 

As to who "Spider" is, I hope we get "Princess Space Kitten" first...

Whizzard: Master Gamer
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Jul 24 2015 03:13 PM by KillerShrike

Wiz is better with the newer Anarch cards plus the heavy use of assets and upgrades lately. But Valencia tends to do the same things Wiz can do better if you leverage the bad pub well, and Edward Kim + Imp + Scrubber is pretty destructive too. And of course the "headlock" reina style of econ denial works whether the corp's econ is asset or event based (though it works better if it event based), while Wiz has much less impact vs corps with an event based econ.

 

So, basically, Wiz is better these days than he was, and you see him pop up here and there as a sort of meta dependent dark horse, but the quality of Anarch id's is very good these days and he has stiff competition within his own faction. The tourny showings illustrate that Anarchs are the most diversely represented faction.



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