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Chronos Project
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Today, 08:49 AM by Dissinger

I've got no issue with Chronos, Levy, or any other card that hurts a particular strategy. They're often introduced to rebalance the game (e.g. Jackson Howard). If your awesome deck has been nerfed by a new counter, it's time to man up and build a new deck.

 Keep in mind I have NO qualms about Levy, as annoying as it is, I want to point out Chronos Protocol was necessary to counter infinite recursion decks like noiseshop or Levy. I lost to an exile running levy because he had five cards left in his deck, and reset the game. I nearly dragged him to the grave and he got a free do over, while I'm looking at my deck and realizing, things are going very badly for me. 

 

My argument was for anyone to go out and demand a card be removed without thinking about why it is in the meta is patently absurd. I dislike levy, I honestly think its a do over for runners that doesn't need to exist, and only forces games to slow down considerably. The fact its also a magic button to go against Jinteki PE is also a frustration. Does that honestly mean I don't want to see the card in the game? Not at all. It was a satire of the argument that Chronos Protocol needs to be eliminated.

 

However, saying I need to sack up and build a different deck if I can't handle a card existing is a little rude. I don't want a different deck. I want to be able to play a strategy that has existed since ONR and not have to play flavor of the week just to stay competitive. Luckily for me, FFG agrees with that sentiment.

Accelerated Beta Test
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Yesterday, 10:58 PM by TheGreasyThumb

The power is indeed risky, but there's two things to notice. First, being a 3/2 agenda is a power in itself. You'll find you often want to include a card just because its a 3/2. The power on accelerated beta test is optional, so sometimes you'll plan not to use it but take the card anyway. Second, there are good ways to mitigate the risk. In faction there's Project Vitruvius. For a splash of one influence there's Jackson Howard. Both of these cards make Beta-test much better and are likely to see play - Vitruvius because it's your other 3/2 in HB and Jackson because he's a terrifying powerhouse who makes almost every corp deck better.

 

Additionally, it's recently been pointed out to me on these forums that The Foundry completely mitigates beta-test's risk. After tutoring one ICE with the foundry's power, you can shuffle your remaining revealed ICE back into R&D using the foundry's power.

Accelerated Beta Test
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Yesterday, 10:02 PM by Nefer

I'm still new to the game but this card is going on the scrap pile for me. Its far to risky and has never worked in my favor. id say probably 8/10 times i get some ICE but also an agenda so that piece of ice gets wasted on protecting my archives to try and stop runs on the archive but because it comes in rezed the runner knows whats coming usually get around it fairly easily unless I'm given the chance to put more ice down which feels like such a waste. 

Chronos Project
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Yesterday, 09:56 PM by TheGreasyThumb

It's a silver bullet to a strong strategy - shaper recursion. Not a problem, but something that some decks could use a counter to. Personal Evolution is one, the other is Weyland program trashing. Other corps won't play it because they've got better, less situational options. There's no need to deny it to them by putting it in-faction, because it's just not that strong.

 

My point above was that Exile is collateral damage rather than the intended target. It was kind of inevitable seeing as recursion is 'his thing'. Now that there's a curb on pure recursion decks it lets Fantasy Flight print more cards that are good for Exile, safe in the knowledge that there's a hard counter to keep them in check. So in the long run, it could even be good for him in a weird way.

Rielle "Kit" Peddler: Transhuman
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Sep 29 2014 05:24 PM by Meadbeard

will her ability work duiring secon run in same turn?

Only if she didn't encounter any ICE on the first run.

Sealed Vault
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Sep 29 2014 10:22 AM by Foxhole

I like to imp this loaded with money :P  EDIT - Oh nevermind, the corp can just trash it to get the money back..

Crisium Grid
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Sep 27 2014 09:29 PM by KillerShrike

OTG makes this completely god-like if you ask me! Sure its a 9-cost endeavor, but factor in The Root and Weyland's Core ID riches, and you've got the most secure twin-server in all of cyberspace.

 

I'm actually trying this out currently in a casual deck, plus Eliza's Toybox and expensive ice. It's been fun thus far, but like most combo decks it feels kind of brittle. When the pieces fall properly it works, but OTG is very trashable out of HQ and R&D and getting a toe-hold on the board can be challenging.

 

But, having played it to try the OTG combo, I'm actually now much more pro Chrisium Grid just by itself. Just turning off the various on a successful Run cards on HQ and R&D is very powerful. One of the decks I played against was Express using all the various run cards and desperado, and Chrisium Grid just by itself was extremely effective. I think this card will find a home and see some play.

Eliza’s Toybox
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Sep 27 2014 08:57 PM by KillerShrike

Built a variant Weyland deck with three Eliza's, expensive / painful to rez ice such as Curtain Wall and Archer, Chrisium Grid, and Off the Grid.

 

I've only played a few really casual games with it so far vs the same opponent (they were testing out several different Runner decks however). It has been fun so far.

 

The tricky part is getting Eliza on the board in the first place in the early game and surviving a turn to be used. But if that can be overcome, the next turn you rez something like an Archer or Curtain Wall in front of it and spend the next few turns just rezzing expensive pieces. Then you install over it with an agenda once Chrisium is on HQ and Off The Grid is rezzed in the same remote to start scoring out.

 

I'm currently running Priority Req's, Government Contracts, and Eden Fragment in it; if I keep the deck I'll switch in the other Fragments and Blue Sun as they come out.

Chronos Project
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Sep 26 2014 11:28 PM by theamazingmrg

Addendum: It is a little unfortunate that Chronos hurts Exile the worst, as he's the hardest Shaper to build in a way that wouldn't be strictly better in Kate. It's my belief that it's been introduced to counter shapers in general and shapers with one copy of Parasite specifically.

 

Hopefully Exile will get a new toy soon and then everything will be OK. I'm betting on a very limited form of recursion that triggers Exile's ability but only does a very specific job. That way the other Shapers won't get that much out of it.

That's the issue - Exile isn't exactly a Powerhouse tournament-winning identity compared to the others, yet is the one affected most by Chronos Project.  It just seems like a silver bullet to a problem that doesn't exist.

 

I wouldn't mind so much if it was a Jinteki Agenda, given that PE is (as you point out) the one that's hurt most by the ability to recur and refill hand.  But making it neutral just makes me sigh.

Cache
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Sep 26 2014 08:48 PM by KillerShrike

I got a chance to try out a revised NoiseShop deck yesterday with Cache added in and a few other tweaks. Worked out very well. Cache on Shazerade, sweep money, feed Cache to Pawnshop on the next term. Relatively easy money.

Chronos Project
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Sep 26 2014 08:13 PM by TheGreasyThumb

Addendum: It is a little unfortunate that Chronos hurts Exile the worst, as he's the hardest Shaper to build in a way that wouldn't be strictly better in Kate. It's my belief that it's been introduced to counter shapers in general and shapers with one copy of Parasite specifically.

 

Hopefully Exile will get a new toy soon and then everything will be OK. I'm betting on a very limited form of recursion that triggers Exile's ability but only does a very specific job. That way the other Shapers won't get that much out of it.

Chronos Project
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Sep 26 2014 08:02 PM by TheGreasyThumb

Silver bullet cards are a part of netrunner. The obvious example is Plascrete vs. Scorch. If you're worried about a particular, strong deck archetype you can include something to ruin its day.

 

Levy AR is good for decks that deliberately burn down fast. Its power is far more to do with the deck refresh than the hand refresh. It's good against Jinteki PE because they often want to run down your deck and kill you with net damage. Generally, you don't include it just to upset Jinteki though. You include it because you're slamming through your deck with Quality Time, ProCo etc.

 

I've got no issue with Chronos, Levy, or any other card that hurts a particular strategy. They're often introduced to rebalance the game (e.g. Jackson Howard). If your awesome deck has been nerfed by a new counter, it's time to man up and build a new deck.

Cache
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Sep 26 2014 07:03 PM by TheGreasyThumb

Definitely a card that's in crim to make it cost influence. It's arguable that Nasir might like it too.

Kitsune
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Sep 26 2014 06:59 PM by TheGreasyThumb

I think I agree with KillerShrike's analysis on this one, but time will tell.

Quetzal: Free Spirit
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Sep 26 2014 06:56 PM by TheGreasyThumb

A lot of the strong identities (e.g. Kate) have an ability that's worth one cred a turn if you jump a low hurdle. Quetzal fits that mold and gives you 'gimmicky' Kit-style early accesses on top.

Professional Contacts
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Sep 25 2014 06:18 PM by bvc

@travaneur, I think 1.7 is rather more than a click is worth otherwise nobody would play cards like armitage (1.375 credits / click)

I think nobody really mentiont how to use PC correctly. It was compared to burst draw. But that is not the correct comparision since PC allows you a completely different playstile. Often you have a lot of good cards in your deck but you need always the right ones. A stimhack is quite useless in the beginning. If you play PC you want to draw a lot. So you have to build your deck that way. This means that ideally every action is eider drawing or playing/installing a card. Now you could argue that sometimes you want to do someting different than using a card, making a run or so but your deck should be that way that you almost never have to do that. If you want to run use a card for it. There are a lot of run cards. Also you shouldn't include cards like kati since you then you do something different again. Use cards like sure gamble, daily casts and dirty laundry to get your money while building your deck and prepare it for every case. And of course you need at least two Levy AR labs to reuse your heap. And don't include to many cards which you might not be able to use.

If you play that way PC is much more efficient than burst cards. And it does not make sense to play this way otherwise since otherwise you don't really want to draw you do it because you must.

One advantige of this deck is that your enemie does not know where you will run, simply because you don't know eidher, you run where your cards send you.

Of course it might sometimes be good to run still if you don't have the right card. Then you do that. It will never work perfectly. But I think you see the Idea.

Rachel Beckman
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Sep 25 2014 04:45 PM by KillerShrike

Seems to mesh fine in a connection deck with Decoy and Calling in Favors (amongst others) not THAT hard to justify

 

Sure. Also, Fall Guy while you are at it, and maybe New Angeles City Hall to help keep Rachel on the board. So, probably a criminal deck given that several of the pieces are criminal, and criminal has a a fair number of decent to good connections.

 

Mr. Li, Compromised Employee, the new Supplier (makes it all cheaper) maybe Tri-Maf if you are feeling frisky. Fill in the rest as seems to make sense. Port in Scrubber from Anarch. Maybe some other grey connections, like Kati. Maybe you eyeball the Supplier and HQ interface and figure hey...sure, popping out HQ Intefaces for $2 each is a bargain.

 

You probably don't run Account Siphon, but you've got yourself the start of deck wherein Rachel might make sense and survive. If you are only paying $6 off the Supplier and avoiding tags with Decoy and NACH and avoiding Trash with Fall Guy, Rachel isn't a bad deal to gain a fifth click. Is it going to turn the Calling In Favors archetype into a powerhouse? Maybe?

 

Then there's every other kind of deck lacking the support cards necessary to make Rachel worth it.

Quetzal: Free Spirit
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Sep 25 2014 04:27 PM by KillerShrike

She's actually pretty fantastic. Sure her id doesn't break some early game ice, but she makes heimdall 2.0 breakable with clicks, gets past rainbow, and most barriers people actually use (or turn wall of thorns into an 8 credit investment for 2 net damage). I think she's powerful even without e3 or paintbrush!

 

I don't see much Heimdall in the decks I play against, but sure I guess if that's prevalent enough in a meta Quetzal saves money getting thru Heimdall.

 

True, she can break one Rainbow per turn...saving 3 credits. I guess that's something.

 

So...ok, fine. It could be argued that in the early game Q can put some aggression on the Corp if they only have a single ETR barrier on a server, and then it turns into a roundabout situational econ ability after that ceases to be true. That's a lot of variance and dependence on card and install decisions made by the Corp player.

 

Compare that to Whizzard who has a similar situational econ ability that depends on card and install decisions made by the Corp player. Whizzard can be fun, and he goes up and down in the rankings as the meta shifts, but he usually seems to come in behind Noise and / or Reina. And I do think Q is better than W in many match ups, but "better than Whizzard" is not the highest thing to aspire to.

 

So, yeah, I just don't see it. But the rankings will reveal the truth one way or the other soon enough.

Rachel Beckman
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Sep 25 2014 12:37 PM by Nerdmeister

I think this will probably prove to be a Timmy card. Great for theorycrafting and super awesome when it works, but $8 for a card that trashes itself is difficult to justify.

Seems to mesh fine in a connection deck with Decoy and Calling in Favors (amongst others) not THAT hard to justify

Quetzal: Free Spirit
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Sep 25 2014 07:20 AM by Muzzlebait
She's actually pretty fantastic. Sure her id doesn't break some early game ice, but she makes heimdall 2.0 breakable with clicks, gets past rainbow, and most barriers people actually use (or turn wall of thorns into an 8 credit investment for 2 net damage). I think she's powerful even without e3 or paintbrush!


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