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A Game of Thrones 2nd Edition
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Aug 22 2017 02:11 PM by mplain
Being targeted by the opponent doesn't change anything - the character is still targeted by a character ability, and he is immune to it, sp the ability of The Queen's Assassin will do nothing.
Aug 22 2017 12:58 PM by Odrl
What happens if attached character is the only choice after The Queen's Assassin is ambushed? Is he immune to that ability because it originates from an opponent's character, or does he die because the ability causes him to be targeted by his own controller rather than an opponent?
Aug 22 2017 12:43 PM by gramyotron
Forced Triggered abilities are not triggered by player (officialy), So Cat does not prevent them.
So yes, Hound needs to have his reaction triggered.
Aug 22 2017 12:33 PM by wordsmith
Ok that is more clear. The Player can't trigger card abilities. How is it then with Forced reactions/interrupts? Are those considered to be triggered by player or by game? F.e. Hound if he successfully defends Catelyn, does he trigger his Forced reaction?
Also regarding Dagger - is there any other example where it won't work except Catelyn?
Aug 22 2017 08:55 AM by mplain
See the RRG entry for Immune:
So, a character with a Dagger is indeed immune to Catelyn's ability. Only it doesn;t help him in any way, because Catelyn's ability doesn't directly affect him. She puts a restriction on the player, not on the character.
Gates of Winterfell
Aug 22 2017 12:17 AM by japandy42
Sort of. There's a window after each challenge, but there's not specifically a window at the end of the phase. That sounds pedantic, but it can be important. In other words, if your opponent does one (or 0 or 2) challenge, you pass your action anticipating that he will do more, and then he says no more challenges, you're out of luck.
Aug 21 2017 09:10 PM by VonWibble
An example where it does work - if Old Forest Hunter (for example) has it they can count their strength when defending against Core Balon despite having lower strength.
Aug 21 2017 05:21 PM by wordsmith
If my opponent has Catelyn, Isn't her ability an "Opponent's character ability"? I'm confused. Please provide examples where Dagger works and where it won't. Maybe it will be more clear.
Aug 21 2017 01:39 PM by mplain
Catelyn Stark does not affect any characters with her ability. She affects players. So immunity to character abilities will not help the bearer of the Dagger against Cate.
Aug 21 2017 12:52 PM by gramyotron
I am not so sure about this. From stories I remember 1ed was full of such interactions. Catelyn does not target Jon, she targets you as a player. Jon is not impacted in any way, it is you who cannot trigger his ability.
Aug 21 2017 10:16 AM by wordsmith
While Catelyn is in a challenge she blocks opponent to trigger any ability. F.e. WotW Jon Snow. If he blocks Catelyn and wins he normally can't use his ability to stand all NW characters. But if Jon Snow has Dagger, he can use his ability normally.
Remember - while participating in a challenge, Dagger makes your own character immune to any opponent's character abilities, triggered or not. So also vs core Catelyn. Also bear in mind that Dagger protects only that particular character, it won't stop Catelyn blocking other triggered abilities you would like to trigger (like other characters, locations, events etc.).
Aug 21 2017 09:25 AM by jumbles
I don't think this protects from core Catelyn. Catelyn's ability prevents players from triggering card abilities. It doesn't actually target or directly affect cards.
Aug 20 2017 07:17 PM by ToucanPlay
So this protects against core Cait? If this is on a character that has a triggered ability, he can use it while Cait is in a challenge?
Aug 20 2017 02:33 PM by SerBronn
Far from a no brainer. This will hurt you more then it helps in 9 out of 10 cases.
Aug 20 2017 07:05 AM by Casvian
Can't wait for my opponent to trigger something only to have me respond: I beg to differ, brother
Gates of Winterfell
Aug 20 2017 02:37 AM by Casvian
Yes, there is an action window before ending the phase, Unless your opponent says he will skip his challenges all together.
Gates of Winterfell
Aug 19 2017 08:34 PM by ToucanPlay
Is there a window to trigger this after my opponents last challenge, when my opponent is going last?
Aug 19 2017 02:36 PM by jumbles
This doesn't affect keywords since they are not triggered abilities.
Rules Reference p.22: A triggered ability is any ability with a boldface precursor followed by a colon and the rest of the ability.
FAQ p.5: Finally, any ability that is not prefaced with a bold timing trigger (such as a keyword, like ambush) is not considered a triggered ability.
Aug 19 2017 01:26 PM by Casvian
just to clarify, keywords are not cancelled by this beggar or ... ?
Aug 18 2017 06:36 PM by JonofPDX
Anyone used this to really good effect?
I feel like it would be a no-brainer if there were more search effects but as is...75 cards is a lot.
Aug 18 2017 06:24 PM by JonofPDX
This presents some interesting options if you're bannering in either Lannister or Baratheon.
Defender of the Wall
Aug 18 2017 06:16 PM by JonofPDX
For 2 cost this seems like a solid investment. No-brainer if you're running The Wall.
Aug 18 2017 06:13 PM by JonofPDX
Like that this still works well with Core Summer. And makes Roaming Wolfpack a whole lot more viable.
Overall a great card. Not sure the Direwolf deck is really "there" yet but this is certainly a step in the right direction.
Aug 18 2017 06:06 PM by JonofPDX
Not very Nedly but my Stark deck needs this so bad...
Aug 17 2017 08:02 PM by Mourningcloud
Nope, reread the card. My bad.
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