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Septa Mordane
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Today, 11:10 AM by hypernexus

But what about having two intrigue on Arya from Wolves of the North, nothing special?

Having two intrigue icons , in most cases, won't mean anything. however, as JonofPDX mentioned, if she had an intrigue icon removed (from Attained for ex) then she would still have one intrigue icon. If she was further stripped of one (say Nymeria Sand) the she would then have no intrigue icons.

Weirwood Bow
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Yesterday, 08:55 PM by hypernexus

Thanks for the response. Yes, non-unique, but hadn't thought of putting multiples on same character, I usually spread them around. That could be fun. I like the mechanics on this - it feels like a bow.

Weirwood Bow
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Yesterday, 02:02 PM by wordsmith

Yes, it is an action which doesn't require a character on which it is attached to be participating. In theory you can use it also on your own character (defending).

 

Yes, also kneeling character works. You just kneel the Bow card, if that is knelt you can't use it -> unless there is some effect which stands an attachment that means it is usable only once per round. Also note that it is non-unique so you can have more Bows equipped, each individually kneeling.

Weirwood Bow
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Yesterday, 01:52 PM by hypernexus

I love this card. I just want to clarify I am using it correctly.

It can be from 'outside' the challenge right? As in, the player with the bow does not have to be participating, as the card does not say so. This means we can 'shoot' into the challenge from characters outside of it, like an archer right? If I am right, that's a cool thematic design to the weapon.

Also, I asume we can also do it from a kneeling character ,participating or not participating, as again ,it does'nt state otherwise.

Cheers

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 27 2017 10:02 PM by Ironswimsuit

The best is when you use this on attack and get Peached, then Highgardened.

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 27 2017 06:39 PM by wordsmith

YMHC can be used also as a PttSword prevent, you defend with some weenie and raise its STR not to give an opponent +5 MIL win and then sack that weenie in claim. But if I have 2 gold and need an event to block PttS I would rather prefer to have Hand's Judgement.

 

And truth is that except Red Viper there's no other Martell character which could benefit from doubling the STR for a price of killing it. But I like the idea of TRV with Gossip&Lies :) in such case he would have 2 attacks with double STR - which could be a lot of points.

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 27 2017 04:39 PM by MagnusLothar
I'd only play this card if I could be almost certain to close with it. So, if I was to play it, saving the character (most likely TRV) wouldn't be too much of a priority. Having a look at my opponent's hand the turn before would be good, as Nightmares - assuming you're using YMHC on TRV - wrecks your plans. Gossip & Lies on the turn you play it for extra insurance.
Put to the Torch
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Apr 27 2017 04:01 PM by wordsmith

No, because keywords (Insight) are processed at very end of challenge evaluation:

 

1. determine winner ... this is where you play PttTorch

2. unopposed bonus

3. claim

4. keywords ... Insight

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 27 2017 09:46 AM by wordsmith

I had to take a break from work so I started this theoretical review. And an honest answer would be - I consider YMHC to be overpriced and thus useless. It should be zero cost for what it does or it should work on any character not just Martell. That thing doesn't even work on Quentyn for pete's sake.

 

And as to the answer why - except lot of Events which it can combine with to get 5+ win (all clunky imo - practically dictates using Littlefinger's Meddling plot) it can be used with Spearmaiden, she is not even unique so no that big harm even when she's killed. Or as an emergency - must win this challenge - situation. But as said - all theoretical. No practical use so far.

Put to the Torch
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Apr 27 2017 09:41 AM by Bascud

Could you play this (or any similar event) after winning a challenge and drawing "put to the torch" from insight?

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 27 2017 08:40 AM by mplain

Maybe start by figuring out why you need that double STR, at the cost of a card, 2 gold, and a save effect. ;)

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 27 2017 06:03 AM by wordsmith

Yes you're correct, Eyrie doesn't save from kill effect of YMHC. The precise timing of "End of the phase" is in FAQ and somehow I missed that.

 

I was thinking how to prevent killing effect of YMHC and there is not much you can do:

- Duplicate, Bodyguard ... obvious

- Orphan of the Greenblood ... actually might work nicely

- Arianne herself ... to trigger some INT or POW 5+ effect (Doran's Game, Dornish Revenge, Rains, Support of the People, Relentless Assault...)

- Maester + Healing Expertise ... clunky, although Martell has 2 Maesters +1 neutral and Healing Expertise is zero cost Event, and Maesters synergize with Maester Chain to remove Conditions

- Southron Messenger ... in rare cases, clunky

 

With banner Agenda:

- Aemon + Sworn to the Watch ... clunky

- Iron Mines ... I never played Greyjoy, so can't tell about that synergy

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 27 2017 02:34 AM by daviduk2000
The eyrie doesn't save the character this is used on from dying. The eyrie effect lasts "Until" the end of phase, this kills it "At" the end of phase. Unless I'm misunderstanding your combo.
The Sword in the Darkness
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Apr 26 2017 10:41 AM by mplain

Well the whole point of The Sword in the Darkness is to overcommit to defending *one* challenge and not have to defend others. I don't see how that's fundametally different from opposing all three challenges. The end result is the same: you don't lose unopposed.

 

Location hate will not turn NW "oppose" into NW "defend". If it's effective, it can turn NW Wall into NW Aggro.

 

Guarding the Realm (the card), on the other hand, actually wants you to win on defense.

The Sword in the Darkness
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Apr 26 2017 07:51 AM by gramyotron

One thing is to defend (a.k.a. actually wining in defence), other thing is to oppose. Rigth now NW Walling decks are not about defending, they are about opposing. Good thing there were two location-hate (with simple "wint to trigger" conditions) cards in NW box.

The Sword in the Darkness
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Apr 26 2017 07:07 AM by mplain

I'm not sure how Craven and Hounted Forest have more to do with passive power accumulation than Sword in the Darkness or Shadow Tower. They're just different ways of enabling The Wall.

The Sword in the Darkness
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Apr 25 2017 10:55 PM by gramyotron

I just realized that this Card is everything that NW could be but is not all thanks to Craven and Hunter Forrest. Why defensive archetype became passive Power accumulation?

You Murdered Her Children
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Apr 25 2017 04:36 PM by wordsmith

Fun combo is using The Eyrie. Especially with Dornish Revenge.

Septa Mordane
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Apr 25 2017 04:13 PM by Akham

This does give an intrigue icon. So Wolves of the North Arya would have 2 intrigue icons (so she could, for instance, be attainted and still participate in a intrigue challenge). 

 

EDIT: Totally misunderstood Marqwitch's question and Hannibal's reply--my bad. Yes, Hannibal is correct. Septa Mordane gives the Stark girls the buffs.  

 

But what about having two intrigue on Arya from Wolves of the North, nothing special?

Ser Barristan Selmy
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Apr 24 2017 05:00 PM by Vrgmaister

These are all costs. The rule is that card effects must have the potential to change the game state.

  • A card ability can only be initiated if its effect has the potential to change the game state. This potential is assessed without taking into account the consequences of the cost payment or any other ability interactions

So If I want to sacrifice a Stark character in plot/marshaling phase in order for my Cait to get 15th power with Jon Snow, I cannot do it because everyone is standing, and even though the cost (someone being sacrificed) and other interactions (Cait getting 1 power) change the game state, because of the fact that i cant stand a unique Stark character, i cannot use Jon Snow's action... Hmmm, well that's just sad :D but thanks I always thought that its "entire triggered ability" as "its effects" because it makes more intuitive sense.  

Ser Barristan Selmy
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Apr 24 2017 04:25 PM by wordsmith

So just to clarify: Paying the cost for an ability (itself) is not being considered as a game state change, right?

 

Also - it's rather counter intuitive when I would think that kneeling/standing a character is a changed game state.

Ser Barristan Selmy
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Apr 24 2017 03:50 PM by mplain

Ser Barristan would stand causing that to change the game state or Measter Aemon to kneel or Iron Mines to discard from play etc.

 

These are all costs. The rule is that card effects must have the potential to change the game state.

Ser Barristan Selmy
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Apr 24 2017 03:13 PM by Vrgmaister

Page 19, "Save": "If a constant ability or lasting effect imposes a condition upon a card that would continually drive it from play (for example, a lasting effect that applies to a character over a period of time, and kills that character if its STR is 0), any attempt to save the card must also remedy the ongoing condition. Otherwise, upon resolution of the save attempt, the card is immediately re-exposed to the ongoing condition, and removed from play. Therefore, if the save effect does not also remedy the ongoing condition, it cannot be initiated, as the effect has no potential to change the game state. As such, using a duplicate to save from such an ongoing condition is also prohibited."

 

"Therefore, if the save effect does not also remedy the ongoing condition, it cannot be initiated, as the effect has no potential to change the game state."

 

This is kinda stupid because Ser Barristan would stand causing that to change the game state or Measter Aemon to kneel or Iron Mines to discard from play etc. So its an exception to standard "cant use triggered effect if its not changing the game state" rule but oh well, it seems you are right, it seems for whatever reason FFG wants to limit your options against burn. 

Ser Barristan Selmy
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Apr 24 2017 01:53 PM by bored2excess

From Tears, yes, if he is not standing at the end of the challenge phase, from a death caused by Dracarys, no, but you can still stand him if you want. (because even after he uses his reaction to save a char, that "saved" char still has 0 str and dies to Dracarys because Dracarys lasts until the end of challenge phase.)  

 

The second part of this is incorrect. You are not allowed to save from a terminal kill effect without rectifying the terminal aspect, therefore you cannot stand him off a burning Lord or Lady.

Ser Barristan Selmy
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Apr 24 2017 01:36 PM by Vrgmaister

From Tears, yes, if he is not standing at the end of the challenge phase, from a death caused by Dracarys, no, but you can still stand him if you want. (because even after he uses his reaction to save a char, that "saved" char still has 0 str and dies to Dracarys because Dracarys lasts until the end of challenge phase.)