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Shield of Lannisport
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Today, 04:04 AM by wordsmith

With that I agree. I was actually thinking about it in Clans or banner deck. But in Clans, the main focus is elsewhere and banner is very situational. I realized it when I played Lancel with Gregor or with Jaime in knights+Tyrell deck. When you use two or max. three lords the Lancel shines. If one of those biggies would have Shield, also Lancel could benefit with +2 STR. However Gregor and even Jaime (thou limited) have renown which decided to not use it. Instead Seal of the Hand made much more sense for that cost,.

 

Still ...this card is a missed opportunity. For its cost it should have also some good ability like making its wearer immune to Conditions. That would be cool shield.

Shield of Lannisport
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Yesterday, 11:12 PM by Vrgmaister

Sry man, bad stats=bad design in my opinion. And you can have one man army with bonkers abilities - if you use Tywin (core) with Seal of the Hand. And you are not restricted to have only Tywin in your deck.

 

But I agree that this card should have cost 2 or even cost 1 and no income perhaps. Or for 3 cost to have income +2 or restrict it to have lords with cost 6+ not 4+ as now.

Sure, but design for me is more like the idea of what a card should achieve, and this card should promote a different style of Lanni deck, maybe Clansmen, maybe banner, and that's cool, promoting new styles is always welcome for me, but its bad stated so its unplayable, opposite of, for example Plaza of Pride which is clearly under-priced for one gold. Seal of the hand is good on Tywin, but its mediocre for other main characters, Turbo Cersei, Jaime, Mountain and can't be used on hound or clansmen, and when its on Tywin he is strong presence but you paid a lot to get there, and even then not one man army style like first edition Red Viper or Tywin winning all challenges, getting renown and winning in a turn or two which is more what I had in mind. 

Calm Over Westeros
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Jun 27 2017 06:27 AM by mplain
Hello,

Yes, “you” (and “your”) refer to the controller, not the owner.

I’ll do my own check of the rules to make sure you’re right about this not being mentioned, and if so I’ll make a note of it for the FAQ.

Thanks!
Danny Schaefer
Shield of Lannisport
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Jun 27 2017 03:38 AM by wordsmith

Design is not bad, but stats are bad, either is 3 too much, or +1 gold per turn is too little. If it costed 2 gold it would maybe be viable, or if it gave 2 gold per turn, because then this card would be decent/good simply as an economy card. So practically the only way right now this card will ever see play is if they print a lanni character with an absolute bonkers ability, like a lord tricon that stands everytime you win a challenge for example, and when you give him +2str and renown he becomes a one-man army, and there is no other better way to make him strong with renown other than this attachment.

 

Sry man, bad stats=bad design in my opinion. And you can have one man army with bonkers abilities - if you use Tywin (core) with Seal of the Hand. And you are not restricted to have only Tywin in your deck.

 

But I agree that this card should have cost 2 or even cost 1 and no income perhaps. Or for 3 cost to have income +2 or restrict it to have lords with cost 6+ not 4+ as now.

Shield of Lannisport
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Jun 26 2017 11:50 PM by Vrgmaister

Design is not bad, but stats are bad, either is 3 too much, or +1 gold per turn is too little. If it costed 2 gold it would maybe be viable, or if it gave 2 gold per turn, because then this card would be decent/good simply as an economy card. So practically the only way right now this card will ever see play is if they print a lanni character with an absolute bonkers ability, like a lord tricon that stands everytime you win a challenge for example, and when you give him +2str and renown he becomes a one-man army, and there is no other better way to make him strong with renown other than this attachment.

Shield of Lannisport
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Jun 26 2017 06:18 PM by wordsmith

The problem with the Shield I see is the following:

-case 1: you run multiple Lanni lords/ladies therefore Shield is just overpriced Roseroad

-case 2: you run only 1, max.2 Lanni lords/ladies so the chance of having exactly 1 lord and Shield together is pretty dim

 

I agree however that case 2 is more likely how the Shield shall be used but it still makes me sad+angry that it's designed in such unfortunate way. Less is sometimes more, I would rather have less abilities for lower price and without stupid restrictions.

Shield of Lannisport
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Jun 26 2017 05:21 PM by VonWibble

Could also fit into a deck that goes big on any other tribal cards - wildlings could happen, and Maesters in the longer term. Tbh I think the price of 3 was fair enough without the condition though. Also it should go in a deck that isn't running core Tywin (since he gets little from it), and that means LOCR Tywin, which also means the Mountain. 

Arya Stark
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Jun 26 2017 04:01 PM by mplain

Nope.

 

http://thronesdb.com...reference#Setup

9. Reveal setup cards. All players turn their setup cards faceup simultaneously. Then, each player attaches his or her attachments and places his or her duplicates, in player order. Note: Cards are not considered to have been marshaled, played, put into play, or to have entered play when they are revealed or announced in setup, and card abilities that reference those terms are ignored during this step. These cards are considered "already in play" when the game begins.

Shield of Lannisport
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Jun 26 2017 10:34 AM by gramyotron

This is a perfect Tyrion(LoCR) Voltron card. It will not be impactfull in x1, and no one will play it x3, but Tyrion with this will be a monster. On the other hand, life is too short tu build a deck around this concept.

Shield of Lannisport
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Jun 26 2017 09:34 AM by Unification

It's a banner of the lion card they made loyal.

Arya Stark
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Jun 25 2017 11:32 AM by Akham

Hi,

 

Just to be sure, no dupe on Arya at setup?

Fever Dreams
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Jun 24 2017 01:39 PM by mplain
All card text on all cards always refers as "you" to the controller, and as "your opponent" to the controller's opponent(s). Ownership is irrelevant for cards in play, except for unique cards.

If you take control of a character that has an attachment that you control that says "Opponent's character only", then this attachment becomes illegally attached, and is discarded.
Fever Dreams
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Jun 24 2017 09:54 AM by wordsmith

Is the text on this card "Opponent’s character only" referring to ownership or just control?

 

Also (in case it means control) what would happen if I have Bronn, opponent will out-pay me on him, then I use Fever dreams on Bronn and next round I pay him back. Will the Fever Dreams be discarded as the text on the card prevent it to be used on my characters?

Shield of Lannisport
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Jun 24 2017 09:40 AM by wordsmith

Am I the only one who thinks that this is a classic example of an over-engineered card?

 

Cost 3 for an attachment is huge. Even with Tywin's income. For such cost I would expect some good effect without senseless restrictions. In any decent Lanni deck this card is just doing +1 income. Simple as that. So you will wait 3 turns only to get your investment back without any profit! Brilliant...

 

Can someone explain to me why would I use Shield of Lannisport if I can use the Seal of the Hand instead, for the same cost but incomparable better effect?

Frey Lordling
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Jun 23 2017 02:20 PM by mplain

That's right.

Frey Lordling
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Jun 23 2017 11:00 AM by DiscoReViVaL

Just to be sure, his reaction does stack right? (since each reaction lasts until the end of the phase).

 

So during the 3th challenge with Lord of the crossing he would be a 7!

 

Not too shabby me thinks.

Calm Over Westeros
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Jun 22 2017 02:46 PM by spellfire

I was similarly confused when I was introduced to this game for the 1st time. Text on your plot card is valid only for you unless it's specified otherwise. Like in this example: Each player chooses a character...

 

Unfortunately I wasn't able to find any rules reference to this specific rule, but it is how it works. Text is specific to you as the card owner/controller unless it states otherwise.

Many thanks! Makes it a better card for the controller. 

Calm Over Westeros
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Jun 22 2017 11:33 AM by wordsmith

Exactly, thanks for explaining it. I remember this specific case because I myself was confused by the very same card when I started to play about a year ago. And yesterday I specifically went through RR, FAQ and even Learn to play guide but didn't find a specific rule mentioning plots. The most close one was:

A player’s revealed plot card is considered in play and interacts with the game state.

 

But it is apparent from the context of the plot cards - if it is regarding multiple players, it's always mentioned in the text of that card.

Calm Over Westeros
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Jun 22 2017 08:09 AM by mplain

I believe wordsmith is referring to the fact that the RRG lacks an entry that would explicitly state that "you" in the text of abilities refers to the player triggering the ability and/or the controller of the card, not to its owner, or to each player (which could be possible, considering that When Revealed abilities are forced, thus non-optional and triggered by the game).

 

There is an entry like that in Arkham LCG, for example.

Calm Over Westeros
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Jun 22 2017 07:55 AM by Vrgmaister

There is nothing to be confused about, since the claim is reduced for attacking player only while you are the defending player. If you could somehow attack yourself then your claim would be reduced as well.

Calm Over Westeros
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Jun 22 2017 03:52 AM by wordsmith

Does this reduce the claim on the chosen challenge for both players or just the opponent?

 

I was similarly confused when I was introduced to this game for the 1st time. Text on your plot card is valid only for you unless it's specified otherwise. Like in this example: Each player chooses a character...

 

Unfortunately I wasn't able to find any rules reference to this specific rule, but it is how it works. Text is specific to you as the card owner/controller unless it states otherwise.

Calm Over Westeros
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Jun 22 2017 12:45 AM by spellfire
Does this reduce the claim on the chosen challenge for both players or just the opponent?
Master of Whispers (title)
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Jun 18 2017 06:12 PM by VonWibble

Master of Wispas meanwhile has control over textured chocolate bars. That one seems the best to me. 

Scaling the Wall
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Jun 17 2017 05:52 AM by mnBroncos

Can someone tell me how this works in relation to things like ghaston grey? would i be able to use this event to "scale" it, before it my opponent triggered it and bounced one of my characters? I assume it would all depend upon who's the first player but I'm not 100% sure.

yep first player will get to trigger reaction first. same kinda interaction as we do not sow

Spears of the Merling King
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Jun 16 2017 02:41 PM by FedericoFasullo

yes, it also works against drakarys and any terminal burn fwiw