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LS / DS Actual Statistics From Store Champs/Regions

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#81
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One event cancel pod would go so far. Suddenly Tutoring for Yoda is a risk with consequences... and you cant ALWAYS count on recursion. It would change everything.

 

And no worries. I think sometimes people get defensive and just respond emotionally without actually reading what people write. We are all guilty of it :P

 

DS really needs an event that is similar to Sense for events:

 

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DS really needs an event that is similar to Sense for events:

 

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!B83,dGQBGk~$(KGrHqF,!lEEy+jC1)KIBM4J9Sj

 

I like the Vader one better:

 

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I find your lack of faith disturbing!

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Oh no, did someone start up a Sense/Alter war? Quick, get a What're You Tryin' to Push On Us stack going!


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!B83,dGQBGk~$(KGrHqF,!lEEy+jC1)KIBM4J9Sj

 

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"The ability to control the force is insignificant next to the power of jawas."


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Can't beat the awesomeness of the following - just OOOZZZESSS theme

 

 

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"The ability to control the force is insignificant next to the power of jawas."

But I played a DS control?

 

Also, is that an original Herat or a virtual card? I don't remember anything being able to cancel Control.



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Original Herat, but it was never really played.

 

About the only time I would see Control canceled was with a Sense in response to it being used against a force drain.

 

But now we're so derailed...



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So...anyone have raw tourne results :P



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I find it amusing that there are LS apologists out there, as if they don't play DS at all.  

 

 

Guys.. this is a game where we play both LS and DS, and keeping balance of both faction is of paramount importance.  Someday when LS wins 90% of the games because everybody is playing Jedi, we will be also be the ones who lost 90% of the time with our DS decks too.  Think about that.


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I find it amusing that there are LS apologists out there, as if they don't play DS at all.  

 

 

Guys.. this is a game where we play both LS and DS, and keeping balance of both faction is of paramount importance.  Someday when LS wins 90% of the games because everybody is playing Jedi, we will be also be the ones who lost 90% of the time with our DS decks too.  Think about that.

 

 

I think people actually believe its mostly balanced because they look at swiss results in tournes in a vacuum and see a 40/60 split. Completely ignoring player skill, the impact of sweeps on rounds ect...

 

Its why I was trying to collect this data in the first place.

 

From my small sample size (and I'm trying to remember because i am too lazy to look back a few pages) the win rates for LS outside of Splits (which are predominately won by the better player... was something like 75%. Id love to know if other competitive events showed this. If FFG is looking at just total games in a vacuum they might not be seeing the fundamental problem with DS right now.



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I think people actually believe its mostly balanced because they look at swiss results in tournes in a vacuum and see a 40/60 split. Completely ignoring player skill, the impact of sweeps on rounds ect...

 

Its why I was trying to collect this data in the first place.

 

From my small sample size (and I'm trying to remember because i am too lazy to look back a few pages) the win rates for LS outside of Splits (which are predominately won by the better player... was something like 75%. Id love to know if other competitive events showed this. If FFG is looking at just total games in a vacuum they might not be seeing the fundamental problem with DS right now.

 

I don't want to speak for anyone, but the reason I personally think the "LS is soooooo OP" argument is spurious and a touch tiresome isn't because I'm looking at tourney data; it's because in my personal experience, while I've found it harder to win as DS, I haven't been losing 70+% of my DS games, and I haven't found that I get blown out in a majority of my games when I'm playing DS. My DS winrate is lower than LS, sure, but probably 60/40 LS at best, and I'm OK with that. I do wish the DS would get some strong (yes, I'd go so far as to say autoinclude) sets, just to shake up the meta and make LS more of a puzzle again, but besides from the delays lengthening the amount of time between forced innovations, I think the game is in a fine place ATM.



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I don't want to speak for anyone, but the reason I personally think the "LS is soooooo OP" argument is spurious and a touch tiresome isn't because I'm looking at tourney data; it's because in my personal experience, while I've found it harder to win as DS, I haven't been losing 70+% of my DS games, and I haven't found that I get blown out in a majority of my games when I'm playing DS. My DS winrate is lower than LS, sure, but probably 60/40 LS at best, and I'm OK with that. I do wish the DS would get some strong (yes, I'd go so far as to say autoinclude) sets, just to shake up the meta and make LS more of a puzzle again, but besides from the delays lengthening the amount of time between forced innovations, I think the game is in a fine place ATM.

 

Fair enough, I think you have valid points. I dont know if it is as bad as 70%. I think everyone has different expeiences and there are so many ways to look at things. But I think we all agree that DS is in a tough spot right now.



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Fair enough, I think you have valid points. I dont know if it is as bad as 70%. I think everyone has different expeiences and there are so many ways to look at things. But I think we all agree that DS is in a tough spot right now.


DS is definitely at a disadvantage. This annoys me more in deck building than any negative gameplay experiences; I feel more free to experiment on LS, while the DS feels more restrictive if you want your deck to be minimally viable.
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DS is definitely at a disadvantage. This annoys me more in deck building than any negative gameplay experiences; I feel more free to experiment on LS, while the DS feels more restrictive if you want your deck to be minimally viable.


Absolutely. We are entirely aligned in that

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Original Herat, but it was never really played.

 

About the only time I would see Control canceled was with a Sense in response to it being used against a force drain.

 

But now we're so derailed...

 

I played Herat in my Jawa's deck! (one of my two Jawa's decks, LS and DS).


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DS is definitely at a disadvantage. This annoys me more in deck building than any negative gameplay experiences; I feel more free to experiment on LS, while the DS feels more restrictive if you want your deck to be minimally viable.

 

My regular opponent gets a little irritated sometimes when I consistently field The Emperor's Web x 2, Fall of the Jedi x2, Council of the Sith x2 plus 4 other pods (usually Call of the Cult is two of the 4 because it puts pressure on the LS and Hate is a great card) in a Sith mono deck. I do feel a little guilty about it but I usually lose with the Navy in our gaming session because they are simply the weakest faction and so I do like to have a good chance to win at least one game in an evening! TEW, FotJ and CotS seem to be the strongest overall choice for the core of a Sith deck and I feel as entitled to try to win as he does but I see his point. Recently we had a session where I made several 10 pod decks and used every single Sith pod in at least one of them. At the end of the evening, having given every single pod a run out I had done OK, lost slightly more games than I had won but it made a nice change. Nevertheless I think your point on DS being more restricted is correct.



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I've been finding CotS x2 to be less useful in the recent meta because it leaves a good chunk of my deck without a real threat to put on the table (though the card draw helps make up for that some).  It's been turning into a x1 set more often for me... though it's always a threat to jump back to x2 because it's such a good support set overall.