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TP. Errata/ restriction debate!

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Blake333

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Figured we should move this from the spoiler thread!

So if I had to errata TP , I'd maybe target it towards boba directly " move one none scum pilot attachment "

Let the debate begin!

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If any errata is issued, I think it will to be limit the ability to once a turn.

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Why errata it? Wouldn't restricting it be a better solution? That way you shut down the abusive combo but don't hurt TP or Boba. Boba is fine if you are only able to bring him back with stay on target. Just my thoughts.
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Why errata it? Wouldn't restricting it be a better solution? That way you shut down the abusive combo but don't hurt TP or Boba. Boba is fine if you are only able to bring him back with stay on target. Just my thoughts.

For once TGO I agree with you! Rescrition would be much better. I often forget the rescrition list since there has only been "one "

Dang it now I can't change the title of the post errata/ rescrition. Debate sounds better

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I'm in favor of something being done. Winning or losing a game based solely on the luck of drawing boba and the objective is lame. The game should be skill- based, not luck-based (moreso than it already is)
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For once TGO I agree with you! Rescrition would be much better. I often forget the rescrition list since there has only been "one "
Dang it now I can't change the title of the post errata/ rescrition. Debate sounds better

You actually can change the title by editing the initial post.
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Restricting it keeps him off the ships though which is fun. I say he should only trigger when entering play. It stops tp and the cultist but let's you run them all together.

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I dont want errata on training procedures because it will also hurt a bit tie deck.

 

But I dont get why "moving" a card could not be a different keyword then attaching, meaning moving wont trigger anyhing related to attaching.



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I dont want errata on training procedures because it will also hurt a bit tie deck.

But I dont get why "moving" a card could not be a different keyword then attaching, meaning moving wont trigger anyhing related to attaching.


This is probably the best solution, since it o ly requires a rewrite of a rule clarification rather than modifying card text.

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For once TGO I agree with you! Rescrition would be much better. I often forget the rescrition list since there has only been "one "

Dang it now I can't change the title of the post errata/ rescrition. Debate sounds better


So are you saying we've never agreed upon anything until now?

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So are you saying we've never agreed upon anything until now?


"For once" is a term I use when. Normally I don't agree with someone most of the time :). Not putting you down or nothing but I just don't agree with lot of what you say. But I still think you guys put on a nice pod cast. When I can find it actually saved on hit box I listen/watch your podcast.

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"For once" is a term I use when. Normally I don't agree with someone most of the time :). Not putting you down or nothing but I just don't agree with lot of what you say. But I still think you guys put on a nice pod cast. When I can find it actually saved on hit box I listen/watch your podcast.


They post it on YouTube, why not watch it there?

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They post it on YouTube, why not watch it there?


Because I'm a moron and didn't know this lol got a link to the channel? The fliptheforce channel seems to be out of date

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Because I'm a moron and didn't know this lol got a link to the channel? The fliptheforce channel seems to be out of date

 

https://www.youtube....Ig_7GToOL6GXXhw


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I played my TP/Fett deck against a Rebel vehicle and a mono Jedi deck this morning. It went 1-1, and it won when it has the combo in place, which are Boba Fett, TP, and 2 vehicles for him to bounce around. Afterward, my brother who played against my deck thought that while the combo is strong, the deck only has any chance to win when the cards are in place. In the first game, not only was the Rebel deck a bad match-up due to the abundance of pilot enhancements, but I also did not see Boba Fett all game. Without the combo, the deck played like a dysfunctional TIE/vehicle deck with mismatched cards and I even get resource hosed because I was running a dual affiliation deck. 

 

I can understand why people are advocating errata/restriction on this combo, because it's a NPE and they don't want to deal with this combo, even if it doesn't happen every game. However, my small sample size suggest that it's not an auto win, just an annoying one when it does go off. I don't see why we can't wait until a Regional happens when this deck is put to the test, and then use its winning percentage as a proof for an errata or a restriction. 


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I would second the above and say that to get the infinate capture loop you're committing to navy affiliation, TP, hunt for han solo, and Hunters flight so already you've got 30 cards with no tactics except through the tie squads. Then you actually have to flop a training procedure. Then flop a Hunt for Han Solo (most of the time to make it an infinate loop) then you have to draw 2 vehicles, play them, then play boba. so thats already a 5 card combo (2 obj, 3 units) not counting the resources you'd need to do that all in one turn. Dash Rendar can blow up the death star in one turn unopposed with fewer cards (just him and two holding all the cards plus two shifty lookouts and any one of the smuggler bonus damage obj)

 

If you rely on nothing but boba yes its not going to be super fun to play against when it goes off but it will also not go off very often. Of my 12 games trying it so far, I've only gotten the infinate loop three times and twp of those times it was immediately shut down by a rouge squad. But the games where it only partly goes off, you taker one or two captures, it can be annoying but by no means game breaking. I lost to a trench run even withj a first turn fett in hand because I just couldnt get the two vehicles out

 

Honestly I think just let it live in the wild for a little while and if it turns out it really really is wrecking face then maybe we can revisit this. But lets give FFG the benefit of the doubt at least that they maybe knew about this combo ahead of time.


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Am I the only one who thinks in a world with Yodas, Desparation, and an overall powerful LS that this doesn't really need to be dealt with?
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Am I the only one who thinks in a world with Yodas, Desparation, and an overall powerful LS that this doesn't really need to be dealt with?


Nope.

Im #teamjustin.
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Am I the only one who thinks in a world with Yodas, Desparation, and an overall powerful LS that this doesn't really need to be dealt with?


So instead of wanting. A balanced game your idea is to keep breaking the system till everything is broken?

If this combo gets going before your oppent then you Can't do anything . Now mind you I don't know if a errata or rescrition is really need a lot of what everyone has been saying is as an "arm chair general" so take my opion with a grain of salt .

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Well, it really is a build around me combo that you are not at all guaranteed during any single game. And yes, if the LS is to continue getting powerful, under curved cards, I see no reason why a resource intensive combo that you are never guaranteed to get in your opening flop should be changed. Then again, I don't believe either the LS or DS meta needs to change at all. Plus, has there ever been a Navy/Scum deck type that was competitive for DS? Nope. Seems like people just can't handle change in this game very well, and when something new appears they instantly want banning, changes or restrictions instead of learning that there are plenty answers around.

On a side note, I don't believe this combo is at all broken. Yes, it is powerful. But there are decks that can beat it. I've seen plenty of them. You are not even guaranteed to win even if you start pulling it off.

About power curve, there are going to be sets that now, and in the future will seem to push the game engine to its limits. Lately it's been all for LS. I see no reason why DS can't have one option. I would rather have more interesting, more varied game play with more powerful cards, than to see more cards printed that look like the Hoth cycle.
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