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[JTG81]

So let's discuss 2nd edition Tyrell. Obviously, what they do well is strength buff for their characters which are balnced on icons with an emphasis on intrigue. They have a little bit of resource acceleration and have 2 characters with renown as well as some action advantage. It would seem like the main mechanic is the strength buff. Their resource acceleration is not as strong as Lannister's, their Stand is not as strong as Stark or Targ and they have only two characters with renown. As such, the faction appears to be 'toolboxy' which is not to say I think they are bad. In fact I would say, out over the core box they are both a strong house and Banner.

[szczudel]

Highgarden is my second favorite card in current Tyrell card pool.

 

I think that real character of Tyrells is impersonated in Paxter Redwyne - events. This is, in my opinion biggest advantage of those who grow strong. They can successfully push any str wining condition event. STR pump is nice and all, but it alone will not give you victory in long run.

 

I take Tyrells always when i feel like having fun.

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I think the two best cards in Tyrell are Highgarden and The Mander.  Highgarden makes it much more difficult for your opponent to successfully launch challenges against you, and The Mander is potentially the strongest card draw effect in the game.

I only really encountered Tyrell properly last night for the first time, but I know that those two locations were powerhouses and dominated games.  Margaery is a devious little ***** as well.

[szczudel]

By strongest you probably mean most reliable. So true. 

When Mander and Higharden is up, you have spare gold it is hardly possible not to win by 5STR.

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By strongest you probably mean most reliable. So true. 

When Mander and Higharden is up, you have spare gold it is hardly possible not to win by 5STR.

Also that it draws you 2 cards, not 1.  That's massive and as a player against the Tyrrels you work SO hard to try and prevent High Mander firing because every time it does it's a kick to the gut.

[Shadowist]

If you are attacking with the knight of flowers and highgarden you will always trigger the mander barring burn ^^

[Barnie25]

I have had some succes with Tyrell, both as a banner and as a main faction. To me their main draws are the fact that they combine good strength buffs, good locations and toolbox capabilities. You can insert a house to match your flavor.

 

Want more aggro with better setup, take a stark banner.

 

Want more evasion, take Grey Joy a and banner in 6 stealth guys

 

Want better economy and a strong late game, take Lannister

 

Want board control and tricks take Martell

 

I haven't tried the other houses yet though.

 

 

What I noticed is that the Tyrells lack good setup guys, their main draws are either 3 gold locations, support guys or 5/6/7 gold characters, as such having acces to a tumblestone knight or something of the sort really helps the curve. As long as removal is the way it is now I think Tyrell can remain competitive.

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If you are attacking with the knight of flowers and highgarden you will always trigger the mander barring burn ^^

 

Highgarden only works on defence.

 

Interesting question though, does Highgarden save characters from Dracarys! if I attack with them then remove them from the challenge in response to you targetting with Dracarys?  I don't know the AGOT timing rules well enough, but in Magic that would work as Dracarys targets a participating character, and they're no longer participating...

[JTG81]

As much of a combo as Left and Right are, when they are in play together they are fantastic. 6 strength military defense without kneeling and 3 strength power and intrigue make it almost impossible (stealth being the caveat) for the opponent to win unopposed. Watch out for dracarys on them though which is why I pack a couple if Hands judgement.

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As much of a combo as Left and Right are, when they are in play together they are fantastic. 6 strength military defense without kneeling and 3 strength power and intrigue make it almost impossible (stealth being the caveat) for the opponent to win unopposed. Watch out for dracarys on them though which is why I pack a couple if Hands judgement.

 

Anecdote Alert:

Last night my opponent setup Right & Left along with a couple of locations.

My first plot: Marched to the Wall.

How we (I) laughed...

[klaus]

Tyrell is the strongest banner in my opinion. Haven't play them as a faction tho. Left and right are a pain against stealth, and the Queen's ability is amazing. Also they have the best events (at least they are the most fun to play). I'm going to start playing them fealty, and check back with something more elaborate.

 

Ps, i use to think Randyll was an amazing card (before playing the game). However i don't think i have seem someone playing him effectively.

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Tyrell is the strongest banner in my opinion. Haven't play them as a faction tho. Left and right are a pain against stealth, and the Queen's ability is amazing. Also they have the best events (at least they are the most fun to play). I'm going to start playing them fealty, and check back with something more elaborate.

 

Ps, i use to think Randyll was an amazing card (before playing the game). However i don't think i have seem someone playing him effectively.

 

I don't you want to run Fealty, but mono-Tyrell with no agenda is good.  You really need those Neutrals to avoid playing bad Tyrell cards just to fill out your deck, though.

[Cephalopodd]

Highgarden only works on defence.
 
Interesting question though, does Highgarden save characters from Dracarys! if I attack with them then remove them from the challenge in response to you targetting with Dracarys?  I don't know the AGOT timing rules well enough, but in Magic that would work as Dracarys targets a participating character, and they're no longer participating...

You don't have an opportunity to trigger Highgarden until after Dracarys! has fully resolved, by which time it's too late.

[chrsjxn]

I find it funny that "only two characters with renown" is listed as a weakness in the first post. There's only 10 characters with straight "Renown." in the game right now.

 

If you're running Tyrell as a main faction, how often do you get Left and Right out at the same time? It seems like it'd be difficult without draw/tutor, but I haven't tried it yet myself. Mostly been using Tyrell as an intrigue-heavy banner faction.

[JTG81]

I find it funny that "only two characters with renown" is listed as a weakness in the first post. There's only 10 characters with straight "Renown." in the game right now.

 

 

 

 I get what you are saying and I didn't mean it to be negative. When I wrote it I was mistaken in thinking that Stark and Greyjoy had better access to renown than Tyrell. Only Stark has a bit better access to renown with Eddard, Robb and Sansa (whose ability is a weird form of Renown). But you are correct

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I find it funny that "only two characters with renown" is listed as a weakness in the first post. There's only 10 characters with straight "Renown." in the game right now.

 

I get what you are saying and I didn't meant it to be a negative, just that I  had thought other factions had better access to renown. The only faction that does though is probably Stark with 2 Characters with renown and a third in Sansa with a pseudo renown.

Greyjoy have more, don't they?  Euron, Balon and Theon.

[szczudel]

I also play without agenda. Fealty's 15 neutrals limit is just to severe. So basicaly any new agenda will empower my Tyrells.

Main reason behind playing without fealty were Rattleshirt's raiders x2. They release me from needing Confiscation plot.

[JTG81]

 

 

I find it funny that "only two characters with renown" is listed as a weakness in the first post. There's only 10 characters with straight "Renown." in the game right now.

 

I get what you are saying and I didn't meant it to be a negative, just that I  had thought other factions had better access to renown. The only faction that does though is probably Stark with 2 Characters with renown and a third in Sansa with a pseudo renown.

Greyjoy have more, don't they?  Euron, Balon and Theon.

 

 

Yeah similar to Sansa as it is not technically renown but he does generate power for unopposed challenges. As well, Targ has access to 3 sources of renown with Khal drogo,  Ser Jorah and Dany when Drogon is  also in play. 

[chrsjxn]

I've been tinkering with Night's Watch lately, so two printed Renown characters seems like a gold mine in comparison.

 

So is it worth bannering Lannister for Jaime/maybe Joffrey? Stark for Ned and Sansa?

 

Actually, Lannister could be really good, assuming an ambushed Widow's Wail will stand Randyll.

[Barnie25]

I've been tinkering with Night's Watch lately, so two printed Renown characters seems like a gold mine in comparison.
 
So is it worth bannering Lannister for Jaime/maybe Joffrey? Stark for Ned and Sansa?
 
Actually, Lannister could be really good, assuming an ambushed Widow's Wail will stand Randyll.

In our group Tyrell Lannister is doing some serious damage, its high damage out put, lots of tricks and very strong gold producing.