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[Zeetro]

Good call.

Getting Pycelle and Caleotte aren't shabby either.

The maesters in the game are all very solid, which makes the plot very solid overall.

Maybe Targaryen will get Maester Marwyn, or maybe even a Targaryen Aemon.

In Stark's case you can even call in the Maester for Intrigue which they lack beyond Cat and Sansa.
Pycelle for Lannister while not as key as other characters in the faction, being able to get insight on demand might be worth the plot slot.

[agktmte]

Yea the Targ cards are some real hot garbage. Like seriously, the only attachment you can even put on the Merchant in faction is Noble Lineage. And they will be the only faction without a Maester to search up with the new OP maester plot.

 

Well, just banner stag or sun and you have good targets (for the maester plot) if you want.

[michaelius]

Bannering into something for maester is great way to having one dead card in your plot deck if you find your maester in setup/starting hand.

 

Ehh I looked at our cards and all of them fall into - might be good in the future if they print x things category.

[Alexfrog]

Bannering into something for maester is great way to having one dead card in your plot deck if you find your maester in setup/starting hand.

 

Ehh I looked at our cards and all of them fall into - might be good in the future if they print x things category.

Yeah you need multiple maesters for the plot to work.

[Barnie25]

As of right now the plot is kind of a trap card. You can play a max number of two different Maesters, which you can draw outside of using the plot. And when you use it the impact is limited if you wont find either Cressen or Aemon.

This is one of the prolific plots from 1.0 where Maesters where the nut. In 2.0 Maesters have utility but aren't power houses.

It will be interesting to see if we will get a powercreep as newer cards are released though.

[Barnie25]

I haven't listened to Beyond the Wall today but I was informed that the Swedes did a piece on their Targ deck.

 

I went out and build a version of how I probably would run it. I see why the deck is strong, it has multiple ways to stand characters, to do multiple challenges and has a good spread of powerful characters. The synergy between the Handmaiden and the two ladies in the deck is also rather nice.

 

House Targaryen Banner of the Rose

Draw deck: 61 cards

Plot deck: 7 cards

Packs: Core Set (3)

 Plot (7)

1x  A Noble Cause

1x  Calling the Banners

1x  Counting Coppers

1x  Filthy Accusations

1x  Marched to the Wall

1x  Summons

1x  The Winds of Winter

 Character (35)

1x  Braided Warrior

3x  Daenerys Targaryen

1x  Drogon

2x  Garden Caretaker

3x  Handmaiden

2x  Khal Drogo

1x  Littlefinger

1x  Magister Illyrio

3x  Margaery Tyrell

2x  Olenna's Informant

2x  Randyll Tarly

3x  Rhaegal

2x  Ser Jorah Mormont

3x  Targaryen Loyalist

1x  The Knight of Flowers

3x  Viserion

2x  Viserys Targaryen

 Attachment (7)

2x  Bodyguard

1x  Heartsbane

2x  Milk of the Poppy

2x  Seal of the Hand

 Location (11)

2x  Illyrio's Estate

2x  Plaza of Punishment

1x  Rose Garden

3x  The Kingsroad

3x  The Roseroad

 Event (8)

3x  Dracarys!

2x  Fire and Blood

3x  Put to the Sword

 

How does such a deck look?

[sparrowhawk]

After being beaten twice by the same Targ Lion build in a recent SC, I've decided to try out this notoriously top-heavy build for the first time (I previously preferred Fealty in Targ but First Snow deters you from a low curve). If you can't beat them, join them...

My first attempt at this archetype...

Targ Lion (NMG meta - but no NMG cards)

Plots -7
Calm
Noble x2
Summons
Winds
Marched
Confiscate

Characters - 34
3 Dany
3 Khal
3 Jaime (L)
3 Tyrion (L)
2 Illyrio
3 Unsullied
2 Rhaeghal
2 Drogon
2 Viserion
2 Jorah
2 Burned (L)
1 Viserys
3 Merchant (L)
3 Loyalist

Attachments - 6
1 Crown
1 Seal
1 Wail (L)
3 Bodyguard

Locations - 11
2 Plaza
3 Kingsroad
3 Roseroad
3 Estate

Events - 9
3 Dracarys
3 Tears
3 Judgement

Targ Lion is a hybrid of aggro-rush (Khal-Jaime, Unsullied-Plaza) and control (Dany, Tyrion-Illyrio, events). Noble attachments grant GJ defence and resilience against kill. The Burned Men for set ups with Khal or Jaime and to combat First Snow into Marched.

The lack of initiative does not seem to be a big problem as the build seems to be ambidextrous with Khal-Jaime going first and Dany going second, leaving the opponent with a difficult choice.

So thoughts please. I suspect this archetype (not this build but a better variant) may be the best build in the current meta window.

I'm assuming its poor match-up is against Bara who can kneel its key characters like Dany and Jaime and also target remove the control events in hand? Any other bad match-ups?

Advice on build changes, how to pilot it and what are good/bad match-ups will be most appreciated, to gently break in this shy Targ Lion virgin.

[Serazu]

I'm assuming its poor match-up is against Bara who can kneel its key characters like Dany and Jaime and also target remove the control events in hand?

 

 

The Hound works wonders vs Baratheon.

[smeehee]

I am not a competitive player but here is my 2 cents

hound is great - find room for at least 1

consider trading with pentoshi, its a great plot (although naval really hurts it)

add more dragons, while you can kneel danny for dracarys! its not ideal and just a standing dragon and 1 gold can force your opponent to hold back key characters.

not really sold on seal or illyrio in this deck but i could be wrong

consider adding littlefinger as only sauce for draw now is danny (who gets milked a lot)

consider adding syrio as stealth combines well with burn and giving danny a mil icon is really funny (especially Martel who has stolen another icon)

swap a tears or 2 for PttS as you have the military Str for it and the gold  (tyrion)

[sparrowhawk]

Thanks for the replies. I typed a long reply but lost it all to a forum glitch.

 

I will take it all under advisement (it would be arrogant not to). I think I have built anti-GJ and there are too many bases to cover.

 

However, needless to say, my Targ Fealty build is a lot more elegant and compact, which is partly why I've avoided Targ banner because finding room for 12 cards (and losing the ability to threaten events with your Fealty) is so hard.

 

 

House Targaryen
Fealty

 

Packs: From Core Set (3) to No Middle Ground

 

Plots
1x A Noble Cause
1x Calm Over Westeros
1x Marched to the Wall
2x Summons
1x The Winds of Winter
1x Blood of the Dragon (No Middle Ground)

 

Characters
1x Littlefinger
1x Rattleshirt's Raiders
3x Daenerys Targaryen
3x Drogon
3x Khal Drogo
2x Magister Illyrio
3x Rhaegal
3x Ser Jorah Mormont
3x Viserion
2x Viserys Targaryen
3x Braided Warrior
3x Targaryen Loyalist
3x Unsullied
1x Syrio Forel (The Road to Winterfell)
1x Crone of Vaes Dothrak (The King's Peace)

 

Locations
3x The Kingsroad
3x The Roseroad
3x Plaza of Punishment
3x Illyrio's Estate

 

Attachment
1x Crown of Gold (The Road to Winterfell)

 

Events
3x Tears of Lys
3x The Hand's Judgment
3x Dracarys!
3x Fire and Blood

 

 

The problem with the above build is that it feels so susceptible to First Snow and all the current GJ tech. Which is why I have decided that if I ever do play Targ in a tournament, it would have to be a big guys banner build (Lion or Rose), hence exploring Targ Lion. But how to find space for those 12 Lannister cards?

 

I have 14 nobles in Targ Lion so it seems perverse not to protect/enhance them with 3x Bodyguard, 1x Seal (sick on Dany) with a tendency to "build tall" in a First Snow meta. I'm a firm believer in all-in or 0 attachments (Crown is kill).

 

I'll probably swap a Burned for a Hound but I am conscious about the cost burden in such a hungry deck and Burned is often a better card facing the opponent's First Snow (which you can turn to your advantage with a Burned Marched loss next turn).

 

Anyway thanks for the feedback and I promise I will process.

[chem2702]

Thanks for the replies. I typed a long reply but lost it all to a forum glitch.

 

I will take it all under advisement (it would be arrogant not to). I think I have built anti-GJ and there are too many bases to cover.

 

However, needless to say, my Targ Fealty build is a lot more elegant and compact, which is partly why I've avoided Targ banner because finding room for 12 cards (and losing the ability to threaten events with your Fealty) is so hard.

 

 

House Targaryen
Fealty

 

Packs: From Core Set (3) to No Middle Ground

 

Plots
1x A Noble Cause
1x Calm Over Westeros
1x Marched to the Wall
2x Summons
1x The Winds of Winter
1x Blood of the Dragon (No Middle Ground)

 

Characters
1x Littlefinger
1x Rattleshirt's Raiders
3x Daenerys Targaryen
3x Drogon
3x Khal Drogo
2x Magister Illyrio
3x Rhaegal
3x Ser Jorah Mormont
3x Viserion
2x Viserys Targaryen
3x Braided Warrior
3x Targaryen Loyalist
3x Unsullied
1x Syrio Forel (The Road to Winterfell)
1x Crone of Vaes Dothrak (The King's Peace)

 

Locations
3x The Kingsroad
3x The Roseroad
3x Plaza of Punishment
3x Illyrio's Estate

 

Attachment
1x Crown of Gold (The Road to Winterfell)

 

Events
3x Tears of Lys
3x The Hand's Judgment
3x Dracarys!
3x Fire and Blood

 

 

The problem with the above build is that it feels so susceptible to First Snow and all the current GJ tech. Which is why I have decided that if I ever do play Targ in a tournament, it would have to be a big guys banner build (Lion or Rose), hence exploring Targ Lion. But how to find space for those 12 Lannister cards?

 

I have 14 nobles in Targ Lion so it seems perverse not to protect/enhance them with 3x Bodyguard, 1x Seal (sick on Dany) with a tendency to "build tall" in a First Snow meta. I'm a firm believer in all-in or 0 attachments (Crown is kill).

 

I'll probably swap a Burned for a Hound but I am conscious about the cost burden in such a hungry deck and Burned is often a better card facing the opponent's First Snow (which you can turn to your advantage with a Burned Marched loss next turn).

 

Anyway thanks for the feedback and I promise I will process.

 

I play a lot of Targ, so I thought I'd throw in my two cents:

 

* Illyrio, Seal, Handmaiden (in fealty) and maybe even Waking the Dragon are very important in a Bara match up. Bara is not so prevalent at the moment (at least in my experience), but if you come up against them, you'll be searching for more stand, and Targ has plenty if you want it.

 

* Positive attachments are important against Greyjoy. I usually run 3-4 positive attachments. For Fealty, it would be Seal, Bodyguard and Syrio's Training. For Banner of the Lion, bring in a Widow's Wail.

 

Below is my current Targ Fealty build. Note that Blood of the Dragon is in testing mode at the moment. I usually run Marched x2.

 

 

Deck Created with CardGameDB.com A Game of Thrones 2nd Edition Deckbuilder

 

Total Cards: (60)

 

Faction: 

Targaryen

 

Agenda: (1)

1x Fealty (Core Set)

 

Plot: (7)

1x A Noble Cause (Core Set)

1x Blood of the Dragon (No Middle Ground)

1x Calm Over Westeros (Core Set)

1x Counting Coppers (Core Set)

1x Marched to the Wall (Core Set)

1x Summons (Core Set)

1x Wildfire Assault (Core Set)

 

Character: (35)

3x Braided Warrior (Core Set)

3x Daenerys Targaryen (Core Set)

3x Drogon (Core Set)

3x Handmaiden (Core Set)

3x Khal Drogo (Core Set)

1x Littlefinger (Core Set)

2x Magister Illyrio (Core Set)

3x Rhaegal (Core Set)

2x Ser Jorah Mormont (Core Set)

3x Targaryen Loyalist (Core Set)

3x Unsullied (Core Set)

3x Viserion (Core Set)

3x Viserys Targaryen (Core Set)

 

Attachment: (5)

1x Bodyguard (Core Set)

1x Crown of Gold (The Road to Winterfell)

2x Seal of the Hand (Core Set)

1x Syrio’s Training (Core Set)

 

Event: (9)

3x Dracarys! (Core Set)

1x Fire and Blood (Core Set)

2x Tears of Lys (Core Set)

2x The Hand’s Judgment (Core Set)

1x Waking the Dragon (Core Set)

 

Location: (11)

3x Illyrio’s Estate (Core Set)

2x Plaza of Punishment (Core Set)

3x The Kingsroad (Core Set)

3x The Roseroad (Core Set)

[sparrowhawk]

Ok, so what does Targ Rose look like?

 

Like any Rose build, it's Rush - and with Khal, it's Aggro-Rush. With potentially 5 Renown characters on the board and lots of challenge control. it can win pretty fast.

 

Here's my first attempt at this nonsense.

 

1              Calm over Westeros

2              A Noble Cause

1              Summons

1              Power behind the Throne

1              Trading with the Pentoshi

1              Confiscation

               

                Characters - 39

3              Dany

3              Khal

3              Randyll (T)

3              Horas (T)

1              Hobber (T)

3              Loras (T)

1              Illyrio

1              Littlefinger

1              Syrio

3              Margaery (T)

2              Rhaeghal

2              Drogon

2              Viserion

3              Jorah

1              Handmaiden

1              Viserys

3              Loyalist

3              Caretaker (T)

               

                Attachments - 6

1              Crown

1              Seal

1              Heartsbane (T)

3              Bodyguard

               

                Locations - 9

3              Kingsroad

3              Roseroad

3              Estate

               

                Events - 6

3              Dracarys

3              Judgement

 

I think it's missing a few toys that are still to come. But in a First Snow meta, it feels more resilient than Targ Crossing.

 

It would be great to hear feedback, either on the build and/or your own experiences playing this faction/agenda.

[agktmte]

Ok, so what does Targ Rose look like?

 

Like any Rose build, it's Rush - and with Khal, it's Aggro-Rush. With potentially 5 Renown characters on the board and lots of challenge control. it can win pretty fast.

 

Here's my first attempt at this nonsense.

 

1              Calm over Westeros

2              A Noble Cause

1              Summons

1              Power behind the Throne

1              Trading with the Pentoshi

1              Confiscation

               

                Characters - 39

3              Dany

3              Khal

3              Randyll (T)

3              Horas (T)

1              Hobber (T)

3              Loras (T)

1              Illyrio

1              Littlefinger

1              Syrio

3              Margaery (T)

2              Rhaeghal

2              Drogon

2              Viserion

3              Jorah

1              Handmaiden

1              Viserys

3              Loyalist

3              Caretaker (T)

               

                Attachments - 6

1              Crown

1              Seal

1              Heartsbane (T)

3              Bodyguard

               

                Locations - 9

3              Kingsroad

3              Roseroad

3              Estate

               

                Events - 6

3              Dracarys

3              Judgement

 

I think it's missing a few toys that are still to come. But in a First Snow meta, it feels more resilient than Targ Crossing.

 

It would be great to hear feedback, either on the build and/or your own experiences playing this faction/agenda.

 

I'm not sure banner of the rose *has* to be rush. Because you have the Lady tech now, so instead you can play a more controlling "voltron" Daenerys style with it. Possibly even more controlly with plots like A Game of Thrones/Jousting Contest in order to burn challenge participants to shut out your opponents.

 

Which is not to say that the rushier version isn't better.

[Hotpie]

I find that the problem with Targ rose is that it's just not as good as banner lion , especially with first snow sending margaery back. Hobber and Horas look solid but expensive ( I have  not tested them yet).

 

I was loving Targ fealty before first snow and now I am scratching my head trying to rebuild fealty. It is hard to resist the lion banner because first snow made that deck even better..... I just don't like that Lannister are so good!

[linkingverbs]

Ok, so what does Targ Rose look like?

 

Like any Rose build, it's Rush - and with Khal, it's Aggro-Rush. With potentially 5 Renown characters on the board and lots of challenge control. it can win pretty fast.

 

Here's my first attempt at this nonsense.

 

1              Calm over Westeros

2              A Noble Cause

1              Summons

1              Power behind the Throne

1              Trading with the Pentoshi

1              Confiscation

               

                Characters - 39

3              Dany

3              Khal

3              Randyll (T)

3              Horas (T)

1              Hobber (T)

3              Loras (T)

1              Illyrio

1              Littlefinger

1              Syrio

3              Margaery (T)

2              Rhaeghal

2              Drogon

2              Viserion

3              Jorah

1              Handmaiden

1              Viserys

3              Loyalist

3              Caretaker (T)

               

                Attachments - 6

1              Crown

1              Seal

1              Heartsbane (T)

3              Bodyguard

               

                Locations - 9

3              Kingsroad

3              Roseroad

3              Estate

               

                Events - 6

3              Dracarys

3              Judgement

 

I think it's missing a few toys that are still to come. But in a First Snow meta, it feels more resilient than Targ Crossing.

 

It would be great to hear feedback, either on the build and/or your own experiences playing this faction/agenda.

 

With First Snow in mind - I think you should consider adding atleast 1 more Viserys, maybe cutting 1 Caretaker. That First Snow turn is just another way to bounce Viserys for some more attachment control and it beats discarding/killing him. since you can replay him the following turn.

[sparrowhawk]

Firstly thanks for quick responses, guys.

 

I'm not sure banner of the rose *has* to be rush. Because you have the Lady tech now, so instead you can play a more controlling "voltron" Daenerys style with it. Possibly even more controlly with plots like A Game of Thrones/Jousting Contest in order to burn challenge participants to shut out your opponents.

 

Which is not to say that the rushier version isn't better.

 

Alex, knowing my playstyle from my builds, you know that's what I want to build. I just don't think we have the tools yet. I'm looking for something like this...

 

Whip of the Unsullied. Cost ?, non-loyal

Attach to a Lord or Lady only. Reaction: after this character kneels, stand an Army character".

 

Not more burn (we don't want a "machine gun" like Lead Chain was it?) but more focus on Targ's stand theme. I'm pretty sure we are missing a toy that will realise our control build preference.

 

Mantime, I do think the Rush build is better - though I missed a trick with that Targ Horse attachment doh! Perfect for Targ Rose rush with all its power icons and stand. I also should have A Clash of Kings (rush) instead of Power Behind The Throne (control).

 

The dangers of spitballing builds on Excel without a deckbuilder...

 

I find that the problem with Targ rose is that it's just not as good as banner lion , especially with first snow sending margaery back. Hobber and Horas look solid but expensive ( I have  not tested them yet).

 

I was loving Targ fealty before first snow and now I am scratching my head trying to rebuild fealty. It is hard to resist the lion banner because first snow made that deck even better..... I just don't like that Lannister are so good!

 

As a Lionheart, I could not agree with you more. I'm embarrassed by the riches granted to the Lion.

 

After seeing Tower of the Hand, I'm worried about balance (at least they have made it lesser printed cost) because self-bounce is so powerful as any seasoned Magic player knows. The Tower will mean no Lannister character with an intrigue icon will ever have an enters play or leaves play effect (without paying a premium like Assassin).

 

You are so right with your appraisal of Targ options. Targ Lion seems so much better in the current meta than any other Targ build.

[agktmte]

Firstly thanks for quick responses, guys.

 

 

Alex, knowing my playstyle from my builds, you know that's what I want to build. I just don't think we have the tools yet. I'm looking for something like this...

 

Whip of the Unsullied. Cost ?, non-loyal

Attach to a Lord or Lady only. Reaction: after this character kneels, stand an Army character".

 

Not more burn (we don't want a "machine gun" like Lead Chain was it?) but more focus on Targ's stand theme. I'm pretty sure we are missing a toy that will realise our control build preference.

 

Mantime, I do think the Rush build is better - though I missed a trick with that Targ Horse attachment doh! Perfect for Targ Rose rush with all its power icons and stand. I also should have A Clash of Kings (rush) instead of Power Behind The Throne (control).

 

The dangers of spitballing builds on Excel without a deckbuilder...

 

 

In pursuit of the Targ Rose control theme: You can also use Arbor Knights and Merchant Princes with Noble Lineage and Mares in Heat. Get Mare and NL on Arbor knight and you can boot anyone out of a challenge. Combine with Jousting Contest and/or A Game of Thrones to go along with Dracarys and you have the makings of a "no challenges for you" control build. However, I do think that some pieces are missing and First Snow obviously hurts that (but only for one round), but that's why you also have the Horror/Slobber duo to complement Daenerys, to power through that otherwise painful first snow turn.

[sparrowhawk]

In pursuit of the Targ Rose control theme: You can also use Arbor Knights and Merchant Princes with Noble Lineage and Mares in Heat. Get Mare and NL on Arbor knight and you can boot anyone out of a challenge. Combine with Jousting Contest and/or A Game of Thrones to go along with Dracarys and you have the makings of a "no challenges for you" control build. However, I do think that some pieces are missing and First Snow obviously hurts that (but only for one round), but that's why you also have the Horror/Slobber duo to complement Daenerys, to power through that otherwise painful first snow turn.

 

Interersting synergies. I think Noble Lineage is criminally underplayed (de rigeur in Martell Crossing, should be considered in Targ and Lanni). Especially with Condemned in the meta.

 

Dany standing + Mare is anti-synergy though.

 

Remember Underhand Assassin in 1E, a hidden gem of clever design? That's what Mare is in a less elegant way. Unfortunately, Mare is not a great card in a First Snow meta as it's devalued on cost 4+ and a waste of 2 gold on a bouncing Arbor Knight (that also dies to Blood). And it's going to get worse with Tower.

 

What you're telling me is: "there was a Targ Rose control build in the King's Peace meta; it is now sadly dead."

 

Move on, Alex, move on.

 

(Oh and I really liked your Noble Lineage build that Aaron dissed on the show.)

[smeehee]

got into a discussion about Blood Magic Ritual during a game today with a fellow Targ player and we completely disagreed about its strength and inclusion in decks.

I feel that BMR is a very strong card that should be included in most decks to protect from kill effects and claim (especially with first snow bouncing claim soak)

my opponent felt that the blanking and 1 cost was to high a price for a save and Targ players would be better off with a more streamline deck not containing BMR

 

is BMR a good card and for what agendas?

 

 

points of interest

if the character has no attachment then BMR can save it without blanking (it just falls off)

Rattleshirt's Raiders cannot remove your own BMR 

BMR works on all non-Army characters not just targ characters 

[Serazu]

A save event that cannot be used during the plot phase, unless under extremely specific conditions (Calling the Banners vs Valar for instance), is mediocre in my book.

I agree with your friend.