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Grigory Maksim

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#141
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Biggest problem is making a deck that isn't just better in Worr or Straken. Anything Maksim can do they can do better. (Sure you can't use your Supports as shields, but in an ideal situation you want to use them as Supports anyway, otherwise just include some 2 shield cards, I hear AM has some good ones). Keep Firing is a nice card, but Worr and Straken's complete pods win hands down. Plus Worr's ability.

I played not so much with maksim, but i already have situation where his ability wins me the game.

 

Second important things that you cant pick elite deck with 3xSTC+3x Bunker into Worr deck. Becuase if you have 2 STC in a hand in 90% situations 1 of them is dead card in a hand.

So you will run 2 STC. Its less profit than Maksim provide.

Also Worr some kind of random. Maksim has his position as Elite deck warlord. He do it better than Worr.



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Maksim IS the best AM Warlord for elites hands down.  Because of his ability no card is a dead card.  Worr, like Zarathur, is better in a swarm type of deck to take advantage of their ability, same with Straken and Corteaz. It's nice to have a WL that just want to push out tanks after tanks and beat you with them.  Only problem is the card draw to get to STC so it may be worthwhile to put Ammo Depot in the deck for that reason.   



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I still disagree. Worr's anti-rout ability is really valuable to Elites. Since AM Elites tend to be HP heavy, but Attack light, the +1 attack is still pretty handy (sure it's better when spammed across a swarm, but still). Forward Barracks still works fine when you have just a Tank to start with. And Anxious Infantry Platoon fits much more nicely into an Elite deck than Maksim's shoddy Squadron. I'll give Maksim Keep Firing though - that does work nicely for him.

 

The only Supports you should really be *intending* to play as shields in Maksim are the spare STCs and Clearcut Refuges. Otherwise the flexibility of using them as shields are nice, but it's not actually why you include them in the deck.

 

Yes, Worr is better as a Swarm Warlord than an Elite Warlord - but this is why it's extra sad that he still seems like a better Elite Warlord than Maksim!

 

The fundamental problem is that Maksim *only* gives (marginal) flexibility on a *secondary* use for cards. IF shields is your primary use, then use 2 shield events/attachments. Now there is some benefit to this secondary use (Clearcut and STC in 3s). Potentially strong but situational Supports (there aren't any that stand out). IT also gives you a bit of flexibility with Resource curve (if running something like Smasha x 3 and you run out of Resources you still have cards). It also lets you dump anything in your hand if going Smasha crazy, but that's a janky approach. It *is* a useful ability, but a marginal one. If that card had been a 2 shielder anyway you'd be in the same situation (now you can't get the same consistency, hence the flexibility aspect), but given he has rubbish 1/8 stat-line, paired with a poot Sig unit, this marginal benefit of a little flexibility just isn't enough imho. If he had a better Sig Squad and was a 2/6 on both sides I think you could run some interesting builds focusing on the Support side of things, but I just don't see it atm. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd challenge anyone to stick together a list that wouldn't (with a tiny tweak) run better out of a different Warlord.

 

The other thing that hurts Maksim's ability is the Elite meta. Being able to throw a spare Support as a 2 Shield for your Leman Russ doesn't matter if your Leman Russ just got spiked for 9.


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You still dont understand. AM supports are good supports. You want them to play. But STC and clearcut unique. If i want shields and support i must pick ONE STC and clearcut and 2 useless attachment into deck? And if i have onle one copy of that support i wont be able to find them quickly enough.

Maksim events realy good (Worr not. Or you want sacr Leman?). He has great attachment (Worr not). And he can support thanks from other faction (well its only 2 tank in SM but still).
Leman have 4 attac. +1 it is 25% improvment. Not so great. Anti-rout works only one the green (and its a bit random).

Just trust me. I tired elite Worr and its not better than Maksim.

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Eh, I disagree, (and am open to being wrong), that's not the same as I don't understand, especially since I made most of your counterpoints already in my own argument. (I missed the attachment bit, I'll give you that, his beats Worr for this deck easily).

I said in my post that his ability is good for the 2 extra STC and Clearcuts. But that's a minor buff - let's say you draw an extra of each during a game, that's 2 shield cards that may/may not be useful depending on the situation. Worr will have handed out a lot of +1 attacks and rout protection by then, which likely will have made a bigger impact than those 2 shielding opportunities.

I also said Keep Firing is a good card, but it's 2 cards out of 50, and those 4 Maksim's Squadrons are significantly worse in many matchups (and more expensive, which matters for an Elite deck), than Anxious Infantry Platoon.

Maksim's ability doesn't actually make Tanks better (his Event and Sig do), as any other Warlord can still shield a tank with normal Shield cards. Maksim makes Supports better (or rather more flexible, again he doesn't actually make them better), opening up a more Support-focused build. Worr actually buffs Tanks themselves otoh, so for Maksim to be better in a deckshape he has to run an absolute tonne of Supports, but it also has to actually be worth doing that as opposed to running a normal balance with someone else. A card like Firstborn Battalion (which nobody is really using anyway) leans towards this, as do the two excellent Unique supports we both agree on, but that's about it.

Again, I'm happy to be shown a deck with an explanation of how it is better in Maksim over another Warlord, beyond STC/Clearcut & Keep Firing. What are you currently running in your Maksim for example?

I do think Maksim is more forgiving as you repurpose cards, especially if your economy ends up stuck, but that isn't an optimal situation (though it is a slight advantage he has).

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He has a flipping furry hat! :P

 

I suppose that it's nice to try different warlords, and not stick with the same one again and again. Some of us love 'fluff' over 'waac'.



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I think Maksim should have had an ability that also made tanks cheaper to play, though that idea was, of course, already applied to Gorzod.

That would have made a difference in his favour over, say, Broderick when fielding a Griffon Escort.

 

The signature Squadrons are also hurting him a lot as it is. Maybe they should just have been priced at £2. Or maybe we just haven't found the correct way to play the Vostroyans yet.


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He has a flipping furry hat! :P
 
I suppose that it's nice to try different warlords, and not stick with the same one again and again. Some of us love 'fluff' over 'waac'.


I'm not saying don't play him anyway :P

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Maksim being a 1/7 also limits his commitments significantly.

Think how much better he would be if his warlord ability let him move tanks to his planet rather than shield with supports.

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You gotta ask Sonic, he build a pretty nice Maksim Deck



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I 'pledged' to Maksim for the Black Crusade, and played him in TheHiveTyrant's featured match this week (I'm HigherEntity on OCTGN). I thought I'd write an 'after action report' on the match up. This seems like as good a place as any to post it -- fellow Maksim players might at least find it interesting. 

 

I've put it all in the spoiler box here, in case you want to watch it before reading my comments. I wrote this 'after action report' assuming you would have first watch the video..

 

Spoiler

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I 'pledged' to Maksim for the Black Crusade, and played him in TheHiveTyrant's featured match this week (I'm HigherEntity on OCTGN). I thought I'd write an 'after action report' on the match up. This seems like as good a place as any to post it -- fellow Maksim players might at least find it interesting. 

 

I've put it all in the spoiler box here, in case you want to watch it before reading my comments. I wrote this 'after action report' assuming you would have first watch the video..

 

"Stuff" - see above

 

Tried your deck out last night with a few changes, some that you suggested and others because I just wanted to play Tanks:

 

Grigory Maksim
Army (25)
3x Iron Guard Recruits (The Scourge)
3x Leman Russ Battle Tank (Core Set)
3x Leman Russ Conqueror (The Final Gambit)
3x Mars Alpha Exterminator
4x Maksim’s Squadron (Slash and Burn)
3x Rogue Trader (Core Set)
3x Sacaellum Shrine Guard (Boundless Hate)
3x Skrap Nabba (What Lurks Below)
 
Attachment (1)
1x Searchlight (Slash and Burn)
 
Event (8)
3x Backlash (Legions of Death)
2x Keep Firing! (Slash and Burn)
3x Preemptive Barrage (Core Set)
 
Support (16)
3x Ammo Depot (Gift of the Ethereals)
3x Catachan Outpost (Core Set)
3x Clearcut Refuge (Unforgiven)
2x Inquisitorial Fortress (The Scourge)
3x STC Fragment (Legions of Death)
3x Troop Transport (Boundless Hate)
 
Played against Kith in a game, and I must say that the Mars Alpha Exterminator is amazing against all those 2 Cost Units and Tokens. Final Battle I had three of them and took out 6 Khymera Tokens with a Preliminary Barrage (Best Targets at the time)
 
Couple of Cards that may be worth adding:
* Follower of Gork (or was it Mork) (The Warp Unleashed) - a free two bonus shield to all of your  Elites is not bad
* Voystran Office (Jungles of Nectavus) - Event Immunity can help
* Bolster the Defense (The Final Gambit) - Free surprise Support, probably better if you play with Inquisitors Fortress
* Death Serves the Emperor (Against the Great Enemy) - Elites are expensive, and when you lose one it can hurt the economy, probably better to play Fall Back first, or play together
* To Arms (Gift of the Etherals) - getting an extra use out of Catachan Outpost, Clearcut Refuge (18HP Tank, or even a Squigoth Brute with Brutal) or even STC Fragment (double Elite Deploy) could be useful.
* Inspirational Fervor (Deadly Salvage) - Movement is a strong effect and having Elites straight at the start of a battle is strong
 
Fun Warlord to play, and a nice change of pace.
 
I believe it was mentioned above, but it would be sort of cool if his sig unit was an Elite
5~6 Credits
2 Hammer (to compensate for being so expensive?)
3~4 Attack
5~6 HP
Same ability as Sig Unit already, discarding a Shield gets a Bonus Shield


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Imperial Guard aka AM needs the following Tanks for Maksim

 

Leman Russ Demolisher - AOE Tank

Hydra Flak Tank - I was thinking similar to the Basilisk in stats, but anti Flyer attacks

Manticore - AOE Tank

Imperial Guard Termite, Mole, or Hellbore

 

Leman Russ Vanquisher - It looks like this is Maksim's Sig unit?

 

And for really wishful thinking:

Stormblade

Stormhammer

 

And for when you really lazy and dont want to drive your tanks around

 

Capitol Imperialis



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I think Maksim still better with SM.
Ammo deploy and Nabba is good. But techmarine can wins you game.

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Imperial Guard aka AM needs the following Tanks for Maksim

 

Leman Russ Demolisher - AOE Tank

Hydra Flak Tank - I was thinking similar to the Basilisk in stats, but anti Flyer attacks

Manticore - AOE Tank

Imperial Guard Termite, Mole, or Hellbore

 

Leman Russ Vanquisher - It looks like this is Maksim's Sig unit?

 

And for really wishful thinking:

Stormblade

Stormhammer

 

And for when you really lazy and dont want to drive your tanks around

 

Capitol Imperialis

 

Personally, I think if you play Maksim but don't play with tanks, then why bother? You have the other 3 AM warlords to choose from. If you pick Maksim then for Pete's sake use the big, bad tanks so you can activate Maksim's ability. 



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Flames of War is over for me, so I can disclose my favorite deck and winner of many battles. ^^

I've made top 8 (and I really think I could have done even better).

 

In current meta, Maksim is a beast.

 

Cardinal Agra Decree is an awesome card. Shield with it. Get a card back. Maksim says yes.

Woken Machine Spirit is very impressive. And even if it is not your main target, it's surprising to notice it synergizes very very well with Maksim ****** signature unit. It makes it good. (Shield for 4, gets +1 ATK) ^^

I found Patron Saint to be very useful in Maksim for two reasons: 1/ You have STC out. It's an Elite. Good. 2/ Very often you have an "almost" dead tank in HQ. Heal it for 3, give it 3 Faith. Yes again. I suppose swarm Astra can't really use it, but for Maksim it's nice.

 

 

Armies

2x Ratling Deadeye

1x Pattern IX Immolator

1x Tenacious Novice Squad

2x Sacaellum Shrine Guard

1x Patron Saint

3x Leman Russ Battle Tank

3x Leman Russ Conqueror

3x Mars Alpha Exterminator

1x The Duke of Debris

4x Maksim's Squadron

 

Attachments

2x Woken Machine Spirit

1x Searchlight

 

Events

3x Death Serves the Emperor

2x Preemptive Barrage

2x Backlash

2x Imperial Blockade

2x Keep Firing!

2x Fall Back!

 

Supports

1x Inquisitorial Fortress

3x Clearcut Refuge

1x Holy Chapel

1x Troop Transport

3x Cardinal Agra Decree

3x STC Fragment

1x Clearing the Path


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Very original deck that's really tough to play against.  If only Maksim's Squadron cost 2, it would be so much better.



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Very original deck that's really tough to play against.  If only Maksim's Squadron cost 2, it would be so much better.

 

I confirm. :)

Just played Marmar and his 17th Vostroyan Armored Regiment. Maksim is getting stronger, really stronger. With the Command Predator out soon, he may become a warlord to fear (or at least not to underestimate). When there is too much tanks out it's nasty, and they just don't want to die! A different way to play against Elite which is refreshing.