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[Europe][France] FFG; where is my Melee?

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Katagena

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Hello FFG,

 

I don't understand. I organize actually the French National Championship 2016. Actually, 153 players are coming.

 

And we are lucky; we will have a "National Kit" for the Joust Event. But when French Editor ask you for a second, because we organize a French National Joust, but Melee too, you say "No, only Joust"

And when we ask you "Can we have the Melee Kit like the event at Origins Fair to make a side?" You answer: "No, it's just for us".

Are you kidding me?

 

We would pay a plane for the French National Melee Champion, but we can't. You have destroy the Melee, and you don't care about European Player.

 

I played and organized in France since 2005. I'm disgusted. I loved Melee during first edition. I don't like the Second Edition Melee, but I continue to support this.

 

I don't understand. Where is the respect? Where is the only game that matters?

 

 

Send us a National Kit for the Melee. Allow our National French Champion to partipate at World. Restore the Melee!

 

153 players; and entries are not closed yet. And you?


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Speaking as an American and someone that doesn't enjoy competitive melee this is truly sad.... if they didn't want to support melee shouldn't even be in the rules than and can't expect to get rid of a part of the game clearly lot of people do enjoy...Also sad because when Asmeda bought ffg they made it seem like would help European op and distribution,but clearly they are just using ffg for American distribution.
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Actually, the problem is not Asmodee. It's FFG.

 

Lot of people enjoy play Melee. In France, and in Europe, lot of. So FFG, respect that, and let's they play and support them to competitive.



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No it is clearly ffg, just they had a thing saying the buyout would help European op and distribution and that clearly was bs.

Wouldn't even be hard to support melee. It does seem bigger in Europe but a lot of Americans were upset melee at world's is just side event.

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I'm quite upset about melee actually being set back even further this year than the poor way it had frequently been treated in the past.



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The problem is not "Melee is good or not"?

 

The problem is "FFG, stop kidding us"

 

We cannot allow FFG to mock the whole of Europe and Melee Players and to run his politic about Melee



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I'm very disappointed with FFG. One of the reasons I loved 1st edition is because both formats (Joust and Melee) existed in tournaments, a rarity in buildable card games. I loved the idea of the overall ranking, because it meant you needed to be good in both formats (and because it provided a way to reward players -like me- who like to stick with their favorite House). Now, to add to the numbers Katagena provided: out of the 153 players who registered for the French National, 92 have registered for Melee so far (many players have not confirmed yet). In previous years, more than 100 players participated in the Melee at the French National (and I'm confident it will happen again this year). Melee is not a variant format for us, it's a central part of the game, just like Joust.

 

FFG, there is much more to the world than the US. There are a lot of players in Europe who love your games and want to play them (as you can see from the attendance at European tournaments, most particularly the European Championship). Alienating so many customers would be a serious mistake, so don't ignore us.



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While I disagree that FFG should not have been willing to send you more prize support for melee, I disagree with the need for competitive melee tournaments.  Competitive Melee is all a popularity contest.  It matters more who you know rather than how well you play the game.  It was a divisive issue in 1.0.  It created a desire among competitive players to do whatever it  takes to win Melee simply for the chance to be able to design another card for the game.  It encouraged collusion in the utmost ways.  there's simply no way to police it or to create a "fair" competitive melee tournament format because at its heart, it relies on the players playing "honestly."

 

When you tie a prize onto that player integrity, you lose the integrity.  Human beings want the shiny prize at the end.  Melee is simply not conducive to having such a prize AND maintaining player integrity.


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We disagree with you. The skills required for Melee are not exactly the same as those required for Joust (though there's some overlap, obviously). Among them are the ability to not seem a threat and, conversely, seeing through other player's assurances that they aren't threats. Melee is not a 4-player Joust, nor should it be. You have every right not to want to play Melee competitively, but you have none to dismiss it out of hand.


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In France, and in Europe too, we have never problem of collusion during Melee Championship. May be your playgroup need to learn the good Melee comportment.

We know play Melee. When Mathieu "Maekar" Hostate become World Melee Champion, FFG say him "We love how you play. We want people play melee like you". Where is the promise FFG? Where is your love for the Melee? The only game that matters?

 

And why Euopean have not the same product? Why we have winter kit during the spring? Summer kit for Christmas? FFG print the kit; where is the problem? Respect?



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Truly a tragic day for france
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I agree with Katagena, our melee no matters for ffg, and we need to show that it's not fair for us to be rejected like this
In my opinion, melee is the true Spirit of AGOT, families are fighting with their enemies to reach the iron throne, isn't that right?

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I agree with Katagena, our melee no matters for ffg, and we need to show that it's not fair for us to be rejected like this
In my opinion, melee is the true Spirit of AGOT, families are fighting with their enemies to reach the iron throne, isn't that right?

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Truly a tragic day for france


Retarded comments like this make me wish there was an "unlike" tag in this site.
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Not sure I follow, friend. This was a sad day - this Frenchman who has run events for over a decade was forced to surrender the chance to run melee due to FFG not supporting them. No need to call names - I wish I could help them out, melee is so much fun.

Je suis melee!
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I think Serazu was referring to the terrorist attack on Thursday (which was our national day, by the way). Also, if you think Katagena has surrendered Melee, you don't know him at all. We'd like support from FFG for this Melee tournament, but it will happen even without it, because we want to play it.



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Melee is the heart of the game. FFG killed it with 2nd edition rules and no support for the format. Now melee is just a side without even a kit. Oh no excuse me, a kit exist but they don't sell it...

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I cannot stand melee but this is absurd. Refusing to provide a melee kit even as a side event because "it's just for us" sounds exactly like every other US run card company, Europe are 2nd class citizens because **** helping their biggest markets.



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What can we here in America do to help out our French allies again?  Let's not start waiving the white flag yet.  When is your event?  Is there still time to get a kit shipped? Can we do a letter writing campaign or something?

 

One of the more unfortunate parts of this is that it seems melee is more well liked in Euro than in USA, but USA got prizes for it anyway.  


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Melee is the heart of the game. FFG killed it with 2nd edition rules and no support for the format. Now melee is just a side without even a kit. Oh no excuse me, a kit exist but they don't sell it...


Sorry for the offtopic, but what do you mean that 2nd edition rules killed melee?





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