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[Qimaomingzi]

Hey guys, I afk since the spin cycle and I am curious about the campaign expansion. 

 

I want to know that do I just need the core set and the campaign expansion to begin playing or do I need all the expansions to fully enjoy the campaign?

 

 

[MightyToenail]

I would not recommend the campaign expansion. They jacked up the price ridiculously to sixty USD just because it was a legacy game. A normal, replayable campaign would have been sold for much cheaper (see Descent), but because of the hype around legacy... This is why I have stopped buying Netrunner, and reduced my purchase FFG products. There are too many instances like this one (see RuneWars, Mansions of Madness, Runebound 3) where they have shown a very greedy face. (In case you are wondering what I am mentioning there, in the case of the three aforementioned games when they announce product they gave it a really high price, then behind the scenes lowered the prices after internet outrage. It's almost as if they were like "let's see if we can get away with this". There's a really good post by a wonderful community leader (Julia/Scarlet Witch) in the RuneWars forums that details these problems)


But I don't think you need the other packs to enjoy it. But for sixty USD, you can get two deluxes and a data pack, a much better way to spend money if you have been out for awhile. I'd recommend Order and Chaos as your first purchase.

[Qimaomingzi]

I would not recommend the campaign expansion. They jacked up the price ridiculously to sixty USD just because it was a legacy game. A normal, replayable campaign would have been sold for much cheaper (see Descent), but because of the hype around legacy... This is why I have stopped buying Netrunner, and reduced my purchase FFG products. There are too many instances like this one (see RuneWars, Mansions of Madness, Runebound 3) where they have shown a very greedy face. (In case you are wondering what I am mentioning there, in the case of the three aforementioned games when they announce product they gave it a really high price, then behind the scenes lowered the prices after internet outrage. It's almost as if they were like "let's see if we can get away with this". There's a really good post by a wonderful community leader (Julia/Scarlet Witch) in the RuneWars forums that details these problems)


But I don't think you need the other packs to enjoy it. But for sixty USD, you can get two deluxes and a data pack, a much better way to spend money if you have been out for awhile. I'd recommend Order and Chaos as your first purchase.

 But the price for the campaign expansion is 40 USD and I can get it for 34 USD on  coolstuffinc. In this case, would you think the expansion is worthy?

[MightyToenail]

Ooh, yeah that's a good price. Go for it!

[veezya]

There's a really good post by a wonderful community leader (Julia/Scarlet Witch) in the RuneWars forums that details these problems)

 

Link?

[MightyToenail]

This thing is seriously bad. In the last months it happened already several times that a product was announced, people got pissed by the price tag and the price tag was mysteriously lowered afterwards (happened with all the expansions of the first wave for RuneBound, that were lowered by 5 bucks each; and happened with the first box expansion for Mansions of Madness, that was lowered from 39.99 to 29.99).

This is not a professional behaviour. The only thing I get from this is that the company "tries" to see if they could earn more, and when people get pissed, they think they "tried too hard" to cash their profits. In the end, they keep damaging the image they project in this way.

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First of all, no one is whining. These items are games and thus are completely unneeded for normal life. There's no reason to whine.

Second, no one said it's unfair for them trying to make profit of their games (it would be idiotic stating the opposite: they are a company producing stuff and they have all the rights to gain on their products). And don't start with "people salaries": the company profits are constantly increasing (according to the projection shown every year at GenCon), so that there's certainly no one having salary problems due to the price tags of products.

I said it's not professional saying "I want XX dollars" and then saying "Hey, I want XX-Y dollars since the other price seemed too high". If this thing happens once, it's not a problem, could be a honest mistake. When the thing is repeated often over time (we're talking of 11 price tags that were lowered in about 1 year) it seems that either they don't know how to use proper marketing tools, or they are trying to understand how big their speculation margin is.

Pair this with all what happened after the company entered the Asmodee group: the declarations done about their will to raise prices so that people will stop collecting games and start picking up those that will be actually played (declaration done by Andrew Torres back in 2016), their policy on on-line marketing vs brick & mortar shops, the abolition of a standard ISBN code so that a lot of shops dropped their lines (biggest name on the market: Bookdepository.com is not selling anything new released by FFG) and so on. All what happened after they were acquired by Asmodee resulted in prices skyrocketting, not only in terms of "new stuff with a higher price tag", but also in terms of "less stuff in a box that costs the same", or "lower quality" (see deluxe boxes for LCGs or the horrible rulebooks released as of late - see Mansions of Madness 2.0 rules where in order to answer the question "does light go through doors" you have only to cross-reference 4 different entries on the reference guide), or "discount prices you can find on-line". Not to mention they started producing collectible card games. All of these spells like they are grabbing as much cash as possible & cutting costs as much as possible, and this will inevitably result in customers being pissed off by their behaviour.

 

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