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[bmtrocks]

So I recently picked up this game after a long hiatus (I pretty much stopped after Edge of Darkness) and while I'm having fun catching up with the newer sets and relearning the game, I was thinking how much more fun it would be to have a bit more variety in my pickings rather than focusing exclusively on the Galactic Civil War.  Maybe I was spoiled by Star Wars: Destiny, but alas...here's how I'd like to see the prequels and sequels implemented into the game.

 

Prequels:
 

First I'd introduce all new factions: Separatists and Republic.

 

However these two factions are unique in one major way:  Some objective can be used for both Light and Dark side decks, featuring a split back that represents the split between the light and dark.  Not all are like this, however.  Some are exclusively Dark Side and some are exclusively Light Side.

 

Separatists and Republic factions also have a clause on their faction cards stating their resources can be used to play Rebel and Imperial cards, but the Reserve is 5 instead of 6.

 

Aside from that, the other four factions remain the same.  I suggest a Deluxe Set that focuses primarily on Separatists and Republic aka a "Clone Wars" set to introduce the mechanic, with a force pack cycle that includes a load of Separatist and Republic cards as well.  While it'll be jarring, remember that both of them can be used in Rebel and Imperial decks you already own cards for as well, so they more or less act as proxies.

 

Sequels:

 

For the sequels, I'd just do a reskin of the Core Set more or less.  Not necessarily  just replacing card names or whatever, but keep the simplicity but have it set in the Sequel era.  Aka for Vader's Core Set objective set, there will be a Kylo Ren version.  For Palpatine's Core Set objective set, there will be a Snoke version, etc. etc.  The cards won't be the same but will function the same way in that it allows players to pick up and play the game.

 

However I would not do this UNTIL the sequels are all finished, that we there's a good grasp of what they entail.

 

Sith will be replaced by Knights of Ren, Rebels will be replaced by Resistance, and Imperials will be replaced by First Order.  However all will have a clause that states that they also count as their original versions.  Basically, they're just renames with a different logo of the same factions.

 

What exactly would you guys do with these two eras?

[Arkard]

I would do the sequels the same, I think it's a no brainer. Hopefully there's enough content after EP 8 to do it like that, it seems like that's the primary reason FFG isnt' really doing much EP 7 stuff yet.

 

Dunno about the prequels. Would be fun to see those cards, though.

[tsgstarwars]

I've never really considered what I'd do to properly make prequel/sequel (TrEU, not Dis-Canon) cards; I've always just tossed them under the same identities (Republic as Rebellion, Imperial Navy as Sith Navy in SWTOR, Scum and Villany as Mando's), but I really like the cards for both sides idea. I've considered doing that with some of my sets, as a true neutral objective set that I don't have to worry about the logistics for because these are all proxies and art sleeves
 

[Rio]

Ummmm Dis-canon is TrEU.

[bmtrocks]

I've never really considered what I'd do to properly make prequel/sequel (TrEU, not Dis-Canon) cards; I've always just tossed them under the same identities (Republic as Rebellion, Imperial Navy as Sith Navy in SWTOR, Scum and Villany as Mando's), but I really like the cards for both sides idea. I've considered doing that with some of my sets, as a true neutral objective set that I don't have to worry about the logistics for because these are all proxies and art sleeves
 

What I'd do with Old Republic era is focus on these factions:

 

Lightside:

The Old Republic (proxy for the Galactic Republic, except this one is a pure "Republic" set with reserve of 6)

Jedi

Smugglers

 

Darkside:

Sith Empire (proxy for Sith but has a clause that says it's resources can be used for Imperials + it's reserve is 5)

Mandalorian (NEW) (Resources can be used for Rebels or Imperials with reserve of 5.  Also a generic Reserve 6 faction card.)

Scum

 

All sets would have Light Side/Dark Side versions with a theme of switching sides in the midst of battle.

[tsgstarwars]

Ummmm Dis-canon is TrEU.

 

Not to me  . From my point of view Dis-Canon is evil!

(I've seen TrEU used for legends far more than I've seen it used for Dis-Canon, generally; might be the fact that almost all the Star Wars discussion I see is pro-legends since that's the canon I'm far more interested in)

[tsgstarwars]

What I'd do with Old Republic era is focus on these factions:

 

Lightside:

The Old Republic (proxy for the Galactic Republic, except this one is a pure "Republic" set with reserve of 6)

Jedi

Smugglers

 

Darkside:

Sith Empire (proxy for Sith but has a clause that says it's resources can be used for Imperials + it's reserve is 5)

Mandalorian (NEW) (Resources can be used for Rebels or Imperials with reserve of 5.  Also a generic Reserve 6 faction card.)

Scum

 

All sets would have Light Side/Dark Side versions with a theme of switching sides in the midst of battle.

 

I'd love to have done that, but it's a little late now   

Mine's also set vastly in SWTOR-era times, so there's a lot of stuff to toss under the Navy part of Imperial (Ascendant Spear, Leviathan, Keeper, Cipher 9, Ula Vii (previous 3 are all SWTOR-era imperial intelligence, Grand Moff Kilrain). I also couldn't find a lot of true "scum" to make; There's Bendak Starkiller (who is basically a Mando), Calo Nord, and... the exchange? None of which are SWTOR era, which is what I've mainly been making, so Mandos got booted into Scum

[bmtrocks]

With that being said, I kind of wish I had some software to make these faction cards for shits and giggles, lol.  It'll be a bit tricky though cause I'd have to choose specific colors for the new factions.  The Separatists could be blue, but what color would the Republic be?  The Rebels already do white so I can't use that.

[MarioFanaticXV]

Ummmm Dis-canon is TrEU.

Yeah, and forget that Hans Christian Anderson guy, Frozen is obviously the only real version of The Show Queen.</sarcasm>

[Rio]

Yeah, and forget that Hans Christian Anderson guy, Frozen is obviously the only real version of The Show Queen.</sarcasm>

Disney doesnt own Snow Queen, they however own Star Wars and can dictate what canon is or isn't. Calling it Dis-canon is insulting and doesnt help the Star Wars franchise movie forward.

[tsgstarwars]

With that being said, I kind of wish I had some software to make these faction cards for shits and giggles, lol.  It'll be a bit tricky though cause I'd have to choose specific colors for the new factions.  The Separatists could be blue, but what color would the Republic be?  The Rebels already do white so I can't use that.

 

I currently use Pixlr for image editing, and can send you the templates that I use (albeit only for existing cards); if you've ever used image editing programs it's not too difficult to use.

 

As far as colors, I'd personally put the republic in a darker shade of red, probably something like this: https://vignette1.wi...=20090704164246

[MarioFanaticXV]

Disney doesnt own Snow Queen, they however own Star Wars and can dictate what canon is or isn't. Calling it Dis-canon is insulting and doesnt help the Star Wars franchise movie forward.

Irrelevant. They ignore the original canon and implement their own that doesn't mesh at all with the original work. Saying they "own" it means nothing; WB has the rights to Lord of the Rings video games at the moment- as fun as Shadows of Mordor is, it isn't part of Tolkein's canon- but unlike The Force Awakens, it doesn't pretend to be.

If you don't like the term Disney Canon, then I can call it the Disney Fairy Tales Version instead. Besides, calling it such isn't half as insulting as throwing out decades of hard work from various artists of a multiple mediums who worked hard to craft stories within the confines of the original creator's intent- completely contrary to what Disney has done with their adaptations.

[Rio]

Irrelevant. They ignore the original canon and implement their own that doesn't mesh at all with the original work. Saying they "own" it means nothing; WB has the rights to Lord of the Rings video games at the moment- as fun as Shadows of Mordor is, it isn't part of Tolkein's canon- but unlike The Force Awakens, it doesn't pretend to be.If you don't like the term Disney Canon, then I can call it the Disney Fairy Tales Version instead. Besides, calling it such isn't half as insulting as throwing out decades of hard work from various artists of a multiple mediums who worked hard to craft stories within the confines of the original creator's intent- completely contrary to what Disney has done with their adaptations.

You're adorable. Please explain to me how it doesn't "mesh" with the original work. It is far more Star Wars than ANYTHING in the old EU, which were written by old Sci Fi writers who treated the franchise like it was Star Trek with swords.

Did you want new Star Wars movies? If we ever we're to get a new trilogy it NEVER would've kept the EU. Lucas would've thrown that out as well. You're naive to believe anything else. It would've been dead as it is now, except you would be complaining about George again and not Disney.

Things change in pop culture, look at how many times DC had a crisis or Marvel gets a reboot. It has to in order to keep it fresh pop art is made for the soul purpose of making money, Star Wars was nothing more than a cash generating machine. Sure Lucas has some sort of commentary on war and politics, but ultimately by his own admission he wanted to make a popcorn movie, nothing more. If you want to say they ignored the "original canon" and mean more than just the movies then you don't know what the original canon is. It's always been just the movies.

[tsgstarwars]

You're adorable. Please explain to me how it doesn't "mesh" with the original work. It is far more Star Wars than ANYTHING in the old EU, which were written by old Sci Fi writers who treated the franchise like it was Star Trek with swords.

Did you want new Star Wars movies? If we ever we're to get a new trilogy it NEVER would've kept the EU. Lucas would've thrown that out as well. You're naive to believe anything else. It would've been dead as it is now, except you would be complaining about George again and not Disney.

Things change in pop culture, look at how many times DC had a crisis or Marvel gets a reboot. It has to in order to keep it fresh pop art is made for the soul purpose of making money, Star Wars was nothing more than a cash generating machine. Sure Lucas has some sort of commentary on war and politics, but ultimately by his own admission he wanted to make a popcorn movie, nothing more. If you want to say they ignored the "original canon" and mean more than just the movies then you don't know what the original canon is. It's always been just the movies.

 

How about the original trilogy's character arcs that were completely destroyed in TFA?

Luke skywalker's journey was about his caring for his friends and his trust in them; Palpatine directly calls him out on this "Your faith in your friends is your weakness", or something like that. Come back to TFA, and Luke's created a problem, so he goes and completely abandons his friends to deal with his mess (Kylo) to go and mope on an island.

Han's entire character arc is about his transition from being a smuggler who's morally questionable to caring about his friends and beliving in a cause (the rebel alliance; symbolically represented by his becoming a general). Come back to TFA, and he's just abandoned all that (and Leia, might I add), to go back to smuggling.

TFA is literally a failing of all of the main character's story arcs in which they gave up on everything they fought for in the original trilogy, so Disney can bring in a new set of characters.



Oh, and if we're going to go and call out all the stupid stuff in the EU, how about lightsaber helicopters, giant space-whales, and a giant force-entity that's supposed to represent "the inherent neutrality/balance in the force", not to mention Mortis, brain-worms, zombies (dathomir), the characters that won't die (Ashoka, Maul) because they're fan favorites... None of that is "any more star wars" than stuff in the EU.

(I only mention Mortis because that's often a criticism many people bring up with Abaloth; I personally don't think it was that bad, but some don't like it)

I'll agree, there was some stupid stuff in the EU, but the same applies to canon, and given the relative concentration of stupid stuff, Legends wins out by a long shot, IMO. All of the really, really stupid stuff was right at the start when authors had no clue what they were doing, and the last 10 years or more of stuff all fit exceptionally well. Hyperjumping into atmosphere shouldn't work; the entirety of how hyperdrives work is with mass shadows of planets yanking people out of hyperspace. The Empire shouldn't fall with 1 symbolic victory and then 1 major battle over Jakku just to show up back as an Empire re-booted, I'll take an entire series of campaigns just to defeat the legitimate empire and then a series of imperial warlords carving out territory. A main character shouldn't die because he was dealing with someone else's problem that they abandoned and trusted the wrong person; I'll take a epic death saving one of Han Solo's children and a ton of civilians that took a moon to kill.

(Oh, and I was perfectly happy without new movies   Rogue one was decent if mostly a Dark Forces re-hash (Jan Ors-Jyn Erso, and more https://www.reddit.c...and_their_dark/ , but TFA I just can't stand because of how much they destroyed the original cast just to move things along for a new set of heros, aside from being an ANH rehash)

[tsgstarwars]

We’ve wanted to send a clear message to our fans that everything we do is part of that overall saga.” ~Howard Roffman, Executive Vice President, Franchise Management. quote from Star Wars.com

Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga.” ~ George Lucas, foreward in rerelease of Splinter of the Mind’s Eye

 

Unlike other franchises that reboot with most every incarnation, Star Wars had proven itself over the years to be a singular universe. Everything outside of the films was collectively known as the Expanded Universe serving as an extension of the same universe as the films. If something happened in a book or a comic, it could potentially affect everything else happening in the universe. Any discrepancies that resulted would be resolved or retconned (short for retro active continuity, ie changes from previously established continuity) across the board to try and create some consistency. ~ Leeland Chee, Star Wars.com

“The concept of an expanded universe certainly isn’t unique to star wars. Many popular genre properties from Star Trek to Alien, release spinoff tales that shed light on events not seen in the official narrative. But Star Wars EU is unique both in its size and its care which is in the narrative which is shepherd and organized and Star Wars the Expanded universe is official.” –Star wars insider 101 May 2008

“Lucas’s day-to-day activities in the main house include the management of the Star Wars story, which is probably the most carefully tended secular story on Earth. Unlike Star Trek, which is a series of episodes connected by no central narrative, Star Wars is a single story–“a finite, expanding universe,” in the words of Tom Dupree, who edits Bantam’s Star Wars novels in New York. Everyone in the content-creating galaxy of Star Wars has a copy of “The Bible,” a burgeoning canonical document(currently a hundred and seventy pages long) that is maintained by “continuity editors” Allan Kausch and Sue Rostoni.It is a chronology of all the events that have ever occurred in the Star Wars universe, in all the films, books, CD-roms, Nintendo games, comic books, and role-playing guides, and each medium is seamlessly coordinated with the others.” – John Seabrook, Writer for the New Yorker, article from the New Yorker, Why the force is still with us, January 6, 1997

New developments in even the remotest corners of the Star Wars universe are always approved by Lucas himself. The continuity editors send him checklists of potential events, and Lucas checks yes or no. -John Seabrook, Writer for the New Yorker, Why the force is still with us article from the New Yorker January 6, 1997

“LucasBooks has always checked with the boss to make sure that none of its projects interferes in any way with anything that he is planning. And while plans can change, rest assured that the wonderful expanded fictional universe enjoyed by so many fans has in no way stomped or trampled on any of George Lucas’s prerogatives or options.”-Steve Sansweet, Director of content management and had of fan relations at Lucasfilm, Starwars.com November, 2000

The two of them [George Lucas and Sue Rostoni) decided that to maintain quality it would be crucial to monitor the storylines of all projects to ensure that none of their books contradicted one another. This continuity decision became one of the department’s biggest challenges and greatens successes.” Star Wars Insider 59 June, 2002

 

 â€œGeorge Lucas says “There really isn’t any story to tell. It’s been covered in the books, and video games, and comic books which are things I think are incredibly creative.” â€ George Lucas Interview with the LA times May 2008


George Lucas wasn't consulted as far as the EU goes? The EU wasn't what his vision for Star Wars entailed?


Unlike other franchises that reboot with most every incarnation, Star Wars had proven itself over the years to be a singular universe. Everything outside of the films was collectively known as the Expanded Universe serving as an extension of the same universe as the films. If something happened in a book or a comic, it could potentially affect everything else happening in the universe. Any discrepancies that resulted would be resolved or retconned (short for retro active continuity, ie changes from previously established continuity) across the board to try and create some consistency. ~ Leeland Chee, Star Wars.com
 

The EU wasn't originally canon?

(Quote source: http://swforce4conti...anded-universe/, which has links wherever possible and proper citations)

[Rio]

How about the original trilogy's character arcs that were completely destroyed in TFA?
Luke skywalker's journey was about his caring for his friends and his trust in them; Palpatine directly calls him out on this "Your faith in your friends is your weakness", or something like that. Come back to TFA, and Luke's created a problem, so he goes and completely abandons his friends to deal with his mess (Kylo) to go and mope on an island.
Han's entire character arc is about his transition from being a smuggler who's morally questionable to caring about his friends and beliving in a cause (the rebel alliance; symbolically represented by his becoming a general). Come back to TFA, and he's just abandoned all that (and Leia, might I add), to go back to smuggling.
TFA is literally a failing of all of the main character's story arcs in which they gave up on everything they fought for in the original trilogy, so Disney can bring in a new set of characters.
Oh, and if we're going to go and call out all the stupid stuff in the EU, how about lightsaber helicopters, giant space-whales, and a giant force-entity that's supposed to represent "the inherent neutrality/balance in the force", not to mention Mortis, brain-worms, zombies (dathomir), the characters that won't die (Ashoka, Maul) because they're fan favorites are "any more star wars" than stuff in the EU.
I'll agree, there was some stupid stuff in the EU, but the same applies to canon, and given the relative concentration of stupid stuff, Legends wins out by a long shot, IMO. Hyperjumping into atmosphere shouldn't work; the entirety of how hyperdrives work is with mass shadows of planets yanking people out of hyperspace.
(Oh, and I was perfectly happy without new movies  )

The fact that we know how hyper jumping works is in direct contradiction to Star Wars and is why any EU isn't star wars and will become hooky sci fi. It shouldn't matter how Light sabers or the Death Star work, they just do. It doesn't need to be explained how crap blows up in space, or how ships make a sound in a vacuum. It's star wars it's part of the feel of it all. Star Wars shows and doesn't tell, because ultimately it doesn't matter. Clone Wars? Sounds cool. That's it. Bullseyeing wromprats? What's a whomprat? Who cares it's cool. Kessel run? Spice mines? Just funny words George made up. They didn't need elaborating because they never served the story. Any EU new or old just accents what's in the movies which is ultimately all that matters. I didn't like Rogue One that much, because THAT wasn't a Star Wars movie, it was a sci fi movie.

Let's talk about characters coming back from the dead Maul was in the Clone Wars, which was an old EU canon. So it's cool there, but not when Disney did it. Boba Fett? The very definition of fan wanking. George even said his intention was for Fett to die in the pit. Oh and didn't the EU bring the Emporers essence into a friggin clone body? Yes they did.

Let's talk about Han. Han was the purest form of Han in TFA since he dropped into the Carbonite Chamber. He was never a hero in Jedi. He was a blind idiot in the first half, and a clumsy baffoon the other half, bumbling his way around Endor being successful besides himself. He was Jar Jar in Jedi. Since Jedi never gave him a hero moment, the new movies had to bring the character back to his beginning so he could go through an arch again.

If the characters archs were actually completed as you said they were with the OT then their stories are done. Nothing more to do, or say no need for an EU, new or old. Conflict makes characters interesting, Han was conflicted in TFA due to his failing as a maybe husband and father. He was never cut out for the rebels, he was only there for Leia and there was no need for him once the war was over. He's not a politician, he's not a paper pushing general either. He is a fly boy, always on the run. He would get restless with life after the war, he would seek more thrills. If he thought Leia no longer wanted him there for whatever reason he would bolt. THATS Han Solo.

Luke would start to train Jedi sure. But once he failed training one, his nephew he would begin to question whether or not Jedi and the force are actually needed. His father turned, his nephew turned the Force is too dangerous as long as there is a darkside. So he left not to "run" but to find out how to actually prevent other force users from turning, because as long as it's used there will be people getting hurt. That is completely within Luke, he himself was conflicted with the Darkside and maybe is looking for balance within himself.

[tsgstarwars]

The fact that we know how hyper jumping works is in direct contradiction to Star Wars and is why any EU isn't star wars and will become hooky sci fi. It shouldn't matter how Light sabers or the Death Star work, they just do. It doesn't need to be explained how crap blows up in space, or how ships make a sound in a vacuum. It's star wars it's part of the feel of it all. Star Wars shows and doesn't tell, because ultimately it doesn't matter. Clone Wars? Sounds cool. That's it. Bullseyeing wromprats? What's a whomprat? Who cares it's cool. Kessel run? Spice mines? Just funny words George made up. They didn't need elaborating because they never served the story. Any EU new or old just accents what's in the movies which is ultimately all that matters. I didn't like Rogue One that much, because THAT wasn't a Star Wars movie, it was a sci fi movie.

Let's talk about characters coming back from the dead Maul was in the Clone Wars, which was an old EU canon. So it's cool there, but not when Disney did it. Boba Fett? The very definition of fan wanking. George even said his intention was for Fett to die in the pit. Oh and didn't the EU bring the Emporers essence into a friggin clone body? Yes they did.

Let's talk about Han. Han was the purest form of Han in TFA since he dropped into the Carbonite Chamber. He was never a hero in Jedi. He was a blind idiot in the first half, and a clumsy baffoon the other half, bumbling his way around Endor being successful besides himself. He was Jar Jar in Jedi. Since Jedi never gave him a hero moment, the new movies had to bring the character back to his beginning so he could go through an arch again.

If the characters archs were actually completed as you said they were with the OT then their stories are done. Nothing more to do, or say no need for an EU, new or old. Conflict makes characters interesting, Han was conflicted in TFA due to his failing as a maybe husband and father. He was never cut out for the rebels, he was only there for Leia and there was no need for him once the war was over. He's not a politician, he's not a paper pushing general either. He is a fly boy, always on the run. He would get restless with life after the war, he would seek more thrills. If he thought Leia no longer wanted him there for whatever reason he would bolt. THATS Han Solo.

Luke would start to train Jedi sure. But once he failed training one, his nephew he would begin to question whether or not Jedi and the force are actually needed. His father turned, his nephew turned the Force is too dangerous as long as there is a darkside. So he left not to "run" but to find out how to actually prevent other force users from turning, because as long as it's used there will be people getting hurt. That is completely within Luke, he himself was conflicted with the Darkside and maybe is looking for balance within himself.

It appears we have different visions of what's Star Wars then, which we can just agree to disagree on.   

Clone Wars is still canon, and was overwriting an awful lot of things originally in Legends (chips inside clones for compliance, Anakin's Knighting, Dathomir, Mandalore, Even Piel's death) , so the faults in there can be shared by both (and bringing Maul back was completely stupid, which gets shared by Legends and Canon since it's still there.) Palpatine coming back? At least he was described as "the embodiment of the dark side" so he had the power to do so, and had pre-planned for the event of his death fitting his paranoia and masterful manipulations. (they're not exclusive to Xizor) Maul survived "due to the strength of his rage" or something like that.

 

Even in the EU, Han doesn't become a paper-pushing General; he's organizing the Smuggler's alliance against the empire and fighting against the Empire like he did through the 3 movies, and the most "general"-ish stuff he does is command a task force to hunt down Zsinj. He goes off and fights on Corellia's side (partially) during the second galactic civil war because he sympathies with their lack of desire for government control and Han's rebellious nature. Han's been a hero lots of times in the movies and far more than a "clumsy buffoon that was never cut out for the rebels"; Saving Luke from the death star, venturing out on tauntaun despite claims he'll freeze to save Luke; he may have been partially incapacitated in RotJ but he still leads the strike team to Endor.

 

Just because their character arcs were completed doesn't mean that there can't be other external threats; that's what the EU did. Luke still struggled with the Dark Side in Legends and had students fall the the dark side, struggled with the fact that he was gaining power and was worried about it corrupting him, worried about the dangers of the force; but he didn't just abandon the Force-using mess to non-force users; Kyp Durron, Jacen Solo, Raynar Thul/Alema Rar; in all of these Luke had students that fell; he didn't leave it to be someone else's problem who had no clue how the force works.When his teachings weren't working he tried to figure out what was wrong, not go mope as a hermit (even if he was trying to find balance) and ignore the problem he'd created.

[bmtrocks]

Well no matter what your view is on canon, Star Wars LCG is in a unique situation in that it includes both canon and non-canon material actively in it's cards.  So we get the best of both worlds for the most part, for better or worse.

 

There's good and bad stuff from both imo and I say that was a life-long Star Wars fan, though I will note that there is absolutely nothing worse in Star Wars literature than the New Jedi Order series in terms of writing and I'm glad TFA and future movies washed that **** away.

[MarioFanaticXV]

I will note that there is absolutely nothing worse in Star Wars literature than the New Jedi Order series in terms of writing and I'm glad TFA and future movies washed that **** away.

Still haven't seen Rogue One (though Darths and Droids is forcing my hand, so I'll do it soon), but I'd definitely argue The Force Awakens was worse- also, nothing will ever be as bad as the Holiday Special. Nothing.

@Rio:

Han's regression as a character does not give him a story arc, it destroys his story arc. One of the great things about the characters is their growth- seeing Luke go from a whiny college kid (figuratively speaking) to being a true Jedi Knight is one of the best parts of the original trilogy, and similarly, seeing Han going from a smuggler that's constantly running away from his problems and cares only for himself to a respectable man is another great piece of development. To see that taken away from the character shows a fundamental lack of understanding about Star Wars.

Are there parts of Lucas Canon which I don't like? Certainly; the aforementioned Holiday Special, Dark Saber, Force Unleashed II (didn't mind the first one, though I wouldn't call it good), Empire at War: Forces of Corruption; but instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I'd much rather see tweaks to the continuity rather than this hamfisted attempt to fit an entirely different vision of Star Wars that doesn't at all flow with the original films. Lucas did sometimes override EU, but he never destroyed it completely. And although I don't agree with all of his decisions, I can say he showed respect for the authors and other creators which he lent his brainchild to, which is more than I can say about Disney. Lucas is the final say with the original Star Wars, not Disney. Disney's Star Wars is akin to any of the other fairy tales they've adapted- it's their own separate thing, and while it uses many of the ideas and characters, they are not the same as the original versions. The only real difference is that Disney seems to have forgotten this fact in working on their retelling of Star Wars.

[tsgstarwars]

Well no matter what your view is on canon, Star Wars LCG is in a unique situation in that it includes both canon and non-canon material actively in it's cards.  So we get the best of both worlds for the most part, for better or worse.

 

There's good and bad stuff from both imo and I say that was a life-long Star Wars fan, though I will note that there is absolutely nothing worse in Star Wars literature than the New Jedi Order series in terms of writing and I'm glad TFA and future movies washed that **** away.

 

NJO is the worst of Star Wars? Crystal Star would like to have a word with you . I actually really enjoyed NJO, to be perfectly honest

(There's some stuff in TrEU that's not great; but that was a long time ago before the writers knew what they were doing, and the good far, far outweighed the bad)