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[superradjoe]

Need, Want, it doesn't matter, though I agree with Toq. Unlike the core set there doesn't seem to be any fluff in this set, so in order to get this much content you're going to pay the same amount wether its in one big box or two smaller. Therefore having only one copy of each Objective Set in the box give you the choice to only buy one.

I think the jury is still out on the amount of fluff in this set, or any of the Force Packs, since we've seen at most 1 card from a handful of objective sets.... even the "bad" objective sets have one card that's not fluff.

EDIT: Now in regards to the 1 copy vs 2 copies debate, I'll gladly fork over an extra 20-30 if it means having twice as many cards to build with. I'd rather that than it taking twice as long to get the same number of new cards.

[karrde]

I think the jury is still out on the amount of fluff in this set, or any of the Force Packs, since we've seen at most 1 card from a handful of objective sets.... even the "bad" objective sets have one card that's not fluff.

By fluff I mean, tokens, dials, etc that having a second set of would be unnecessary and would increase the cost of the product. Wether a particular card or Objective Set is fluff or not will only be determined long after most people will have purchased their set(s).

[Scottie]

By having a 1 of each set, FFG can include more differing objective sets. So rather then just getting 15 new objectives sets, two of each, we now can get 30 new objective sets (numbers are made up). Frankly I'd much rather more new cards now in the game's infancy then a slightly easier to follow distribution model. Though I hope it does such eventually as deluxe expansions don't need to be as big in the future, as far as new cards go.

It isn't like we were ever going to get whatever amount of cards we are getting for a lower price regardless of distribution model. Given the limited amount of chaff we got in two core sets I'm not sure what's drawing that much ire from some posters.

[Jhaelen]

of course you need to buy two. ANYONE that is even 1/2 serious will buy two.. I bet you're buying 23.. so do not come with that crap. You buy two, I'll buy two.. everyone on this forum will buy 2.. end of story.

Serious about what? This reminds me of a comment I've seen on a gamer forum once: "Gaming isn't about fun. This is serious business!"

Anyway, I'm on this forum and I'll buy one.
This will be my fourth LCG and that's also how I prioritize it. I'll be happy with a single copy of every card. That's completely sufficient for the occasional casual game.

[J3bStu4rt]

Serious about what? This reminds me of a comment I've seen on a gamer forum once: "Gaming isn't about fun. This is serious business!"

It really depends; when you play in an area where all players see it as competition you need to buy 2.
When you are as lucky as you and me we need only 1. But I hope you have fun as much fun as I have by playing in a not so competitive enviroment.
Futhermore it also depends on the numer of players in my opinion.
When you have many players, some tend to be more competitive and you need to decide: to play with whom?
Here in good old Germany (Cologne), where we have to wait 3 weeks longer for any expansion it is currently truely casual so every with 2 sets is teased power gamer

[Jhaelen]

Here in good old Germany (Cologne), where we have to wait 3 weeks longer for any expansion it is currently truely casual so every with 2 sets is teased power gamer

Well, I'm also from Germany (near Frankfurt), so maybe it's really a regional thing

[Toqtamish]

Thanks to Mick we get to see the names of some of the upcoming Objective Sets in Edge of Darkness: http://www.fantasyfl...=4&efidt=815538

There was a small hint of new cards in the Game Experience handout. Jim said he was going to upload it when he got back, but I figure he’s busy. There was a list of playable decks for Scum and Villainy and Smugglers and Spies showing objective sets and their breakdown. Here are the new ones:


Scum and Villainy

Carbonite Transport
Slave I
Traitorous Wing Guard
Prized Possession
Tractor Beam
Target of Opportunity

Jabba’s Reach
Jabba the Hutt
Jabba’s Pleasure Barge
Gamorrean Guard
Prized Possession
Reversal of Fate

Trandoshan Terror
Bossk
Trandoshan Hunter
Trandoshan Hunter
Bounty
Heat of Battle

Sounds like the objective Carbonite Transport will allow you to move captured cards from one objective to another.


Smugglers and Spies

Across the Anoat Sector
Sleuth Scout
Sleuth Scout
Undercover Operative
Smuggler’s Run
Over My Dead Body

Asteroid Sanctuary
Millennium Falcon
Cloud City Operative
Cloud City Guest Quarters
Bamboozle
Twist of Fate

Raise the Stakes
Blockade Runner
Cloud City Operative
Bothan Spy
Smuggling Compartment
Swindled

Trust Me
Lando Calrissian
Saboteur
Cloud City Casino
Sabotage
Target of Opportunity

It mentions that two of these objectives--4 for the deck so two unique objectives?--add damage when Smugglers and Spies units attack alone and go unopposed. Cloud City Operative and Bamboozle will let you move focus from your units to your opponents. Smuggling Compartments sounds like an enhancement that will let you draw cards when you attack with the Falcon (or any ship?) As for the Falcon it sounds like it has options. It’s “a great vehicle in its own right” and can be returned to your hand after attacking to put a character into play.

[TGO]

Being able to move captured cards will be good for the Scum.

[gmac]

I do hope we get Dash Rendar and Xizor in this expansion.

[BrianV]

You guys are totally missing the point.. It isn't lame cause you get 1/2 the cards.. (though it is). The real problem is how this effects the longevity of the game. The marketing decision about splitting the packs is just a retarded and total screw up at FFG corporate.

Here is why...

We all like this game, we all want the game to have a life for years to come, and we all want new players to be able to jump in a few years from now.. right? Well this screws that up. Years from now when prints are hard to get (see aGoT major expansions to see what I am talking about) A player who wishes to build a competitive deck or fill a collection has to now track down 2 copies of a set rather than one. In the future it is no longer the case that you can find a old and rare copy of a pack, you have to find 2. This means that it will be exponentially harder for newer players to enter the game. Now we need to wait for full reprints, as if you go to Ebay or a game store you need them to stock 2 at a time instead of 1. If they released them like any normal person would all you ever need to track down is a single copy at any given time when the packs are rare, and this will happen. Anyone can jump into the game look up and/or design a deck they want and track down the cards a billion time easier. The splitting of the packs just makes it harder for collectors and harder for new players to join the competition.




Apart form completely missing the point (see above) this is a total load of bullshit. I would bet the vast vast majority of players will buy 2 copies. How many copies of the expansion are you going to buy? Anyone that wants to make competitive decks will get 2 copies. Any OCD collector (oh right that is like 90% of card game players) will get 2 copies.
What this really means is that people with less money will have less powerful decks. Like say I am a broke guy that has just had a new kid or something and things are a little tight... a new pack comes out that has a POD I wish to add to my collecting for a deck I am thinking of.... now I need to buy 2 copies (as pretty much everyone will) and get more cards I am not interested in and basically spend twice the cash.

If there was 2 boxes released at same time, or in short succession but each box was a contained complete set then there would be no such problems for people with less disposable income, there would be no problems with the longevity of the player game due to collection issues and their would be no jumping in issues for new players in later years and it wouldn't have pissed off 1/2 the community. It was juts a douche greedy move from FFG.

Like every other normal company? This is way less expensive than Magic or other SWCCGs where you have to buy boxes upon boxes to get the cards your looking for because they are random. And you're complaining about having to buy 2 boxes? Even with Netrunner you have to buy 3 to get the maximum cards. It's even playable with only one. Sounds like you are complaining about your kid. If $30-40 bucks is going to break you and you have a kid, you shouldn't be spending money on a card game. lol. That's life man. And is waiting for reprints really an issue? I see stuff being reprinted all the time. I honestly don't know, I only play SWLCG.

[BrianV]

Anyone know how "making a smuggling run" is going to work? It's on the EoD website, was just wondering if they are referring to a specific card or what.

Edit: Ah there it is. It's a card.

[BrianV]

Serious about what? This reminds me of a comment I've seen on a gamer forum once: "Gaming isn't about fun. This is serious business!"

"There's no fighting in the war room!"

[Scottie]

Like every other normal company? This is way less expensive than Magic or other SWCCGs where you have to buy boxes upon boxes to get the cards your looking for because they are random. And you're complaining about having to buy 2 boxes? Even with Netrunner you have to buy 3 to get the maximum cards. It's even playable with only one. Sounds like you are complaining about your kid. If $30-40 bucks is going to break you and you have a kid, you shouldn't be spending money on a card game. lol. That's life man. And is waiting for reprints really an issue? I see stuff being reprinted all the time. I honestly don't know, I only play SWLCG.

The post you are responding to is nearly 2 months old.....

[BrianV]

The post you are responding to is nearly 2 months old.....

I'm pacing myself.

[Scottie]

And rehashing a contentious conversation that has long since settled down. Let sleeping dogs lie.

[BrianV]

Ah. You don't recognize sarcasm. I thought this board got more activity and didn't see the date, otherwise I obviously wouldn't have replied to that post. But thank you, non-moderator moderator for pointing that out. See if you recognize that bit.

[Toqtamish]

This board gets ton of traffic. But some posts are pretty old now. Best to check and sarcasm or not we don't really need another round of that particular debate.

[Bazeleel]

Ah. You don't recognize sarcasm. I thought this board got more activity and didn't see the date, otherwise I obviously wouldn't have replied to that post. But thank you, non-moderator moderator for pointing that out. See if you recognize that bit.

Please, no need to be an ass about it. We have enough trouble with 2 members as is. He was just pointing out that the thread was old.

[BrianV]

Please, no need to be an ass about it. We have enough trouble with 2 members as is. He was just pointing out that the thread was old.

I thought my sarcasm was acknowledging my mistake. He didn't need to respond to it, but did anyway. Although, he was much nicer about it than you, I have to admit.

[Toqtamish]

Sarcasm is really a verbal message rather than written and the Internet is a poor medium for conveying sarcasm. So your jokes are not coming through in the way you intended it seems.