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Arsene Renard

Submitted Darksbane , May 11 2013 06:19 AM | Last updated May 15 2013 02:34 AM

Arsene Renard

Gentleman Thief
Type: Character Faction: Syndicate
Cost: 3 Skill: 4 Icons: (C)(C)(I)
Game Text:
Criminal. Relic Hunter.
Fated 3.
Response: After an opponent plays a support card, search the top 5 cards of his deck for a support card and put that card into play under your control. Then, place a success token on Arsene Renard. If that card is still in play at the end of the turn, sacrifice it.
Set: TKatG
Number: 54
Illustrator: Paul Tobin

15 Comments

orso

Jun 17 2013 10:53 AM

What happens to the 5 cards after searching them for a support card? Are they placed on top of the deck or bottom of the deck? In any order?
(Burglar Tools miss this info, too.)

badash56

Jun 17 2013 01:12 PM

I would rule it as - they go back on top of the deck, in the same order. It just says 'search the top 5 cards' so when you are done searching, they go back to their original state.

orso

Jun 17 2013 01:34 PM

Thank you. I supposed it would be meant this way.

Carthoris

Nov 01 2013 03:08 PM

This ability doesn't seem boss enough to make the character fated. He's not shabby without it, though.

wildefox

Nov 02 2013 10:04 PM

From the FAQ: "If a card effect allows a player to search his deck, he must shuffle his deck afterwards."

Zephyr

Nov 02 2013 10:18 PM

it doesn't "search the deck", it searches top 5 cards only
but i'd like to know the official interpretation
Anyone asked designers about this one?

wildefox

Nov 03 2013 01:37 AM

It doesn't matter how many cards are looked at, it is still an effect that allows you to search your deck. The amount of your deck that you search isn't important. It would be nice if they printed it on the card, but the official interpretation is that after you search your deck, you shuffle it.

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Carthoris

Nov 03 2013 12:48 PM

Yeah, I don't think the FAQ direction is as universal as wildefox insists. Most "search the top 5 cards" effects (like among Relic Hunter characters) then have those cards placed on the bottom of the deck, which would be fouled by a subsequent shuffle. I really think the FAQ instruction applies (and importantly so) only to instances in which the player searches the whole deck.

dboeren

Nov 04 2013 10:04 PM

As far as I'm aware, "search your deck" means "search your deck". Searching the top 5 cards is not the same thing. You didn't search your deck, you only searched those 5 cards. As Cathorsis points out, several cards have text stating that the deck have specific cards in a specific place afterward which serve as a counter-example to wildefox's interpretation so I believe that backs up the "search X cards <> search the deck" theory.

Zephyr

Feb 25 2014 02:44 PM

RULING:
You shuffle the deck.
Source (Damon):
http://community.fan...e-6#entry995109

jasonconlon

Feb 26 2014 02:36 AM

This ability doesn't seem boss enough to make the character fated. He's not shabby without it, though.

Note that he can keep triggering his ability until he is successful at finding and putting a support card in to play three times, and not just attempting it three times. See http://community.fan...e-5#entry995105

FunkeXMix

Aug 08 2015 08:33 PM

Could we clear this last post up? It's leaving things very much unfinished for someone to use these comments as a guide. I don't see how he can perpetually look for a support card until he finds one. That is not how I interpret the text. I interpret it like this:

'Search the top 5 cards of his deck for a support card. If you don't find one, bad luck, nothing happens except he shuffles the deck and you don't get a mark for fated, because you didn't fulfill getting a support to put under your control.'

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Daevar

Aug 08 2015 09:33 PM

I don't think that's wat jasoncolon was on about, more like: If you have 20 *different chances/instances* to use his response, and you don't find a single support card, you don't have to put a success token on him and thus can use him "ad infinitum". It's not about using the same triggering condition to use his ability until he's successful.

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FunkeXMix

Jan 25 2016 08:10 PM

So can we all agree that if you do not find a support card, you do not get a mark for 'fated'?

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Carthoris

Jan 26 2016 02:55 PM

So can we all agree that if you do not find a support card, you do not get a mark for 'fated'?

Right. The critical word is "Then." He only gets a token if all of the foregoing language is fulfilled.

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