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R + L = J

Targaryen
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Submitted by: OKTarg
Submitted: Apr 01 2013 05:08 PM
Views: 5098
Last updated: Apr 02 2013 05:40 AM
Category: Targaryen
Deck Name: R + L = J
Deck Contents: Total Cards (62)

House (1)
House Targaryen (Core) x1

Agenda (1)
Kings of Summer (ASoS) x1

Plot (7)
The Power of Blood (Core) x2
Valar Morghulis (Core) x1
Fleeing to the Wall (Core) x1
A Time for Ravens (ACoS) x1
A Song of Summer (ASoS) x1
Negotiations at the Great Sept (TPoL) x1

Character (34)
Rhaegar Targaryen (BoRF) x3
Lyanna Stark (ODG) x3
Jon Snow (Core) x3
Ghost (Core) x2
Maester Aemon (Core) x1
Lady Stoneheart (MotM) x1
Daenerys Targaryen (Core) x1
Dragon Thief (AE) x3
Gilly (RoW) x1
Herald of the East (SB) x2
Jon Arryn (TTotH) x1
Missandei (RotK) x1
Qhorin Halfhand (LoW) x1
Sellsword Deserter (CD) x2
Carrion Bird (ASoS) x3
Samwell Tarly (TRS) x2
Satin (WLL) x1
Builder of the Watch (ASitD) x2
Stalwart Shield (ASitD) x1

Location (15)
Khal Drogo's Tent (Core) x1
Eastern Fiefdoms (Core) x3
Street of Silk (LotR) x1
Street of Sisters (Core) x1
Great Pyramid of Meereen (AHM) x1
Summer Sea (PotS) x3
Meraxes (TBC) x2
Lady Daenerys's Chambers (Core) x1
Myrish Villa (QoD) x2

Attachment (7)
Unburnt (QoD) x1
Longclaw (ASitD) x1
Rich Lands and a Keep (LotR) x2
Black Raven (ASoS) x2
Aegon's Blade (Core) x1

Event (6)
Field of Fire (QoD) x3
Incinerate (VM) x3

Graphs:
Sample Hand Reload
Other Information Income on Plot Cards: 4, 4, 2, 3, 4, 5, 3
Average Plot Income: 3.571
Number of deck cards providing income: 1
Average deck cards income: 1.000
Number of cards providing influence: 9


30 Comments

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slothgodfather
Apr 02 2013 04:02 PM
Care to give some insights into your rather unusual character choices?
It seems to be a Ned deck based on one of the more popular (and all but explicitly confirmed) theories from the books. Given the Asshai presence in the deck, and what's likely to appear in The Winds of Winter I'm surprised not to see a variant of Melisandre in there.
R + L = J?
Its probably obvious but I will go ahead and bite anyways. Whats that stand for?
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slothgodfather
Apr 02 2013 05:48 PM
OOOO, now I see it! I should have expected it from OKTarg but I just didn't see it earlier. Varys and illyrio could be good additions to this list. I don't recall Jon Arryns connection though I understand his ability being in there.
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ShadowcatX2000
Apr 02 2013 07:41 PM

R + L = J?
Its probably obvious but I will go ahead and bite anyways. Whats that stand for?


Its a bit of a theory / spoiler (if true), look at his first 3 characters.
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slothgodfather
Apr 02 2013 07:43 PM
He's also missing the 3rd head of the dragon...
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ShadowcatX2000
Apr 03 2013 03:08 AM
If the third head has even been revealed yet. It may not be [redacted] because the [redacted] said "[redacted]". :)
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slothgodfather
Apr 03 2013 03:29 AM
Well we are already making that assumption with this list here I thought. I just meant that he didn't have all 3 (the 2 that are known + the most logical choice) in the list :D
In about 10 minutes
http://www.cardgamed...-ned-r-l-j-r539

beware SPOILERS and SPECULATION abound :D
lol I'm glad everyone likes this crappy list so much :) Use Darksbane's link for a better description of what the heck is going on :)
Is the third head that you peanut gallery folk want Hugor Hill (VM)?
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slothgodfather
Apr 03 2013 01:43 PM
... Young Griff (VD) + danny + J = 3 headed dragon...

the only question that remains to me is... which one will J ride?!

... Young Griff (VD) + danny + J = 3 headed dragon...

the only question that remains to me is... which one will J ride?!


How can all three of them rule? I guess the whole 3-headed dragon theories leave me dissatisfied. You're telling me Baby Aegon is cool with someone else ruling? Or what is Jon's role....to me it's clearly him who's going to be king (look at the prophesies of Mormont's Crow)

You are probably right, but for now I prefer to think it's Tyrion, even though it's not.
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slothgodfather
Apr 03 2013 04:15 PM
Your Beheading Ned article was the first i'd heard of the whole Tyrion theory. Is there something in the books that actually leads to this conclusion like there is with Jon?
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ShadowcatX2000
Apr 03 2013 04:27 PM

... Young Griff (VD) + danny + J = 3 headed dragon...

the only question that remains to me is... which one will J ride?!


Wow, for a minute there I thought you meant between Danny and Young Griff. . . . .

Your Beheading Ned article was the first i'd heard of the whole Tyrion theory. Is there something in the books that actually leads to this conclusion like there is with Jon?


Sort of. Here's some of the points as I recall them:

1. Tyrion is very light haired, even for a Lannister.
2. Tywin has always despised Tyrion and REFUSED to let him rule. Yes, easily explained by the physical deformities and the death of his mother in childbearing, but also a possibility of him not being Tywin's son. Tywin would rather bear that than outing the fact that his wife slept with Aegon.
3. Aegon's personality was just to take women, no secret there.
4. Tyrion talks about how he always grew up dreaming of dragons, studying dragon lore, etc.
5. Narrative arc wise, Tyrion is being set up to choose between his family (Lannister) and the Targaryens in the East....what if he really was family with the Targs?
6. It is clear there was some falling out between Tywin and Aegon somewhere along the way, with his wife being sent home from King's Landing at some point.

It's on the Wiki of Ice and Fire forums, not the main page. I guess the editors don't see it as creditable enough to put up on the 'theories' page. I'd put it in the camp of 'delicious speculation' not 'creditable foreshadowing.'
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slothgodfather
Apr 03 2013 04:49 PM
hmmm, that's interesting. I don't really recall the little details like that from my read through the books.

Wow, for a minute there I thought you meant between Danny and Young Griff. . . . .


HAHAHAHAHA! yea I guess I should have worded that better... which of the 3 dragons is Jon going to ride if it is indeed him.

What's odd to me is you want to pick Tyrion over YG. You know Dany and YG legitimately has Targ blood. So the only doubt for the 3rd is between Jon and I guess Tyrion now. Unless there are 4?!

hmmm, that's interesting. I don't really recall the little details like that from my read through the books.



HAHAHAHAHA! yea I guess I should have worded that better... which of the 3 dragons is Jon going to ride if it is indeed him.

What's odd to me is you want to pick Tyrion over YG. You know Dany and YG legitimately has Targ blood. So the only doubt for the 3rd is between Jon and I guess Tyrion now. Unless there are 4?!


How do we know that? Because Varys said so? Yeah, about that......
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slothgodfather
Apr 03 2013 04:55 PM
oh, so you are saying that YG is a lie?
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ShadowcatX2000
Apr 03 2013 05:53 PM

oh, so you are saying that YG is a lie?


There are truths and there are truths. I don't think it is a coincidence that someone (I think Varys) talks about how Valyrian looking children are a dime a dozen in the free cities and how with the right training a person can be made to be someone else. I think the only thing in YG's corner is the honor of Old Griff.

That's interesting about Tyrion though. That would be quite interesting indeed. Still, I'm inclined to think Daenerys would have him eaten rather than rewarded for betraying his family (either way). That does make Jon the more likely marriage candidate (as let's be honest, YG is more likely if the choice is between YG and Jon, since YG is the elder male child (and a Martell btw)).
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slothgodfather
Apr 03 2013 06:58 PM
btw, I assume anyone reading this thread is now well aware it is full of spoilers, potential spoilers and theories...

Now that you mention it like that, I wouldn't put it past Martin to introduce a character like YG and then reveal his "true" background is a lie, especially after introducing a PoV character like Quentyn only to melt his freakin' face off.

As for characters, I actually want to forget that YG is of Martell blood. I really don't like his character much.

It wouldn't be the first time Dany ignored an elder brother and his claim so I can see her still picking Jon over him any day.
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ShadowcatX2000
Apr 03 2013 07:08 PM
I'm not crazy about Young Griff either, but if he is who it is claimed he is, then his Martell blood will be very important. (Though I'll admit I like him more than I liked Quentyn which admittedly isn't saying much.)
There is also part of the prophecy Danny got "beware the mummer's dragon" which could either mean that YG is indeed of the legacy he is and the mummer is just Varys or it could mean that he is fake Targaryen.
It's also no slam dunk that YG is older than Jon Snow. They'd be about the same age, and if he was a baby during the sack of King's Landing, YG would probably be younger than Jon, actually. There's just that teeny tiny bit about the legality of his parent's wedding, those sticky Night's Watch vows, and (most importantly) George R.R. Martin's race against time to finish the series!
@Sloth: I'm not SAYING young griff is a lie; I'm saying it is a possibility. And a strong one, IMO.