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Fire and Blood



  • Type: Event
  • Faction: Targaryen (Loyal)
  • Cost: 1
  • Challenges Action: Choose a unique [Targaryen] character in your dead pile, and shuffle it back into your deck. If that character is a Hatchling, you may put it into play instead.
  • Quantity: 1
  • Number: 177
  • Illustrator: Michael Komarck
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8 Comments

What if you have dupes in your dead pile? 

 

2 hatchlings with the same name, do they get back in play with a dupe?

If you already have a unique hatchling in play and put another copy of it into play with Fire and Blood the new one becomes a duplicate of the old one, yes.

 

"Put into Play ...

 

If an additional copy of a unique card a player already owns and controls is put into play under his or her control, it enters play as a duplicate."

RR p. 17

    • SerLuisR likes this
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daviduk2000
Oct 19 2015 11:57 AM
I'll reference you to what Kton said about a similar situation with aeron damp hair and theon greyjoy

RRG, p. 5:

Dead Pile
A single instance of a unique card in a player’s dead pile does not prevent an effect that would cause the card to enter play directly from the dead pile. This is because such an effect removes the only instance of the card from the dead pile.

So if you have multiple incidences of Theon in your dead pile, #1 stops you from putting #2 into play with Aeron, and #2 stops you from putting #1 into play. You'd need some (non-existent) effect that took #1 and #2 out of the dead pile at exactly the same time.
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RRG, p.5: "Dead Pile: A single instance of a unique card in a player’s dead pile does not prevent an effect that would cause the card to enter play directly from the dead pile. This is because such an effect removes the only instance of the card from the dead pile."

 

RRG, p. 22: "Unique Cards: A player may marshal (or put into play by a card ability) additional copies of each unique card he or she owns and controls, placed as a duplicate on that card, for no cost."

 

So yes. If you have just one copy of a particular Hatchling in your dead pile and another copy of that same Hatchling in play, this card can put the copy in the dead pile into play as a dupe on the one in play.

 

If you have two copies of the same Hatchling in your dead pile, this card cannot put either copy into play (because the effect does not remove all copies of the unique character from the dead pile at the same time).

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This is only possible if Yoren steals one and it dies after you get another copy into play right? Otherwise it isn't possible to have a Unique in both your dead pile and in play simultaneously. If it died before that it would be illegal to play a new copy, dupes go to the discard pile (even if they expire as your character dies e.g. due to Wildfire?), and there's no effect other than Yoren (at present) which could create this situation. Or am I missing something?

This is only possible if Yoren steals one and it dies after you get another copy into play right? Otherwise it isn't possible to have a Unique in both your dead pile and in play simultaneously. If it died before that it would be illegal to play a new copy, dupes go to the discard pile (even if they expire as your character dies e.g. due to Wildfire?), and there's no effect other than Yoren (at present) which could create this situation. Or am I missing something?

 

Heads on Spikes can place a character in the dead pile while another copy is in play.

    • SerVance likes this

Good point, I completely forgot that was a thing.

Note that if Yoren steals a copy from you, you cannot marshal or put another copy into play because you own another copy that is already in play. It would have to be the other way around (you have copy #1 in play and then Yoren steals copy #2).
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