Do people think Jon is too vulnerable to Bara kneel? I play about 1/3 of my games against Bara, and I don't think there is any way to stand him other than one copy of Power Behind the Throne.

He's no more vulnerable to Bara kneel than any other character. It's just more noticeable because of his effect.

What are you pairing NW with, if anything? Illyrio (Targ) and Robb (Stark) are probably your best bets for finding ways to stand him once he is already knelt.

Ok, the effect is powerful but... mono icon? Intrigue?? Come on...

It doesn't matter what icons he has. He is in every challenge, regardless of his icons.

He's no more vulnerable to Bara kneel than any other character. It's just more noticeable because of his effect.

What are you pairing NW with, if anything? Illyrio (Targ) and Robb (Stark) are probably your best bets for finding ways to stand him once he is already knelt.

Yeah he's obviously no more vulnerable, but Tyrion (for example) being knelt every round doesn't shut off his awesome ability. And de-milking isn't particularly difficult.

I was (incorrectly) thinking Robb only stood Stark characters, so that does help a bit. I wanted to stay clear of Illyrio because his effect is a bit costly for 2 gold in a deck that can't also include Tyrion's gold-producing ability, but I suppose he's an option too.

It doesn't matter what icons he has. He is in every challenge, regardless of his icons.

...in which you control another attacking [Night's Watch] character. :3 he's useless alone. And it makes sense ^^

I can definitely see an argument for him being more vulnerable to Bara kneel considering A: His effect requires him to be standing and B: he cannot have Seal of the hand attached to him. Jaime and Balon both need to be standing to get their full value but they can have seal of the hand, and The rest of the six fosters don't need to be standing to use there abilities. That being said, Jon is really good. Having an extra four strength in every challenge on offense is pretty great. Give Jon Longclaw and your opponent better find an answer quickly.

Sanity check: Ghaston Grey can affect him when using his ability? Right?

Sanity check: Ghaston Grey can affect him when using his ability? Right?

Yes. Jon Snow is an attacker in any challenge he's participating in because of his ability.

Yup, that's entirely correct.

just to check, jon snow is considered to be an attacking character?

so he is vulnerable to highgarden and also ghaston grey?

Yes

Caveat: Not really vulnerable to Highgarden. While he is an attacker, Highgarden couldn't be used on him because it wouldn't succesfully change the game state (he'd still be standing, and still be participating).

However he's certainly vulnerable to Ghaston Grey, Like Warm Rain, and so on.

Caveat: Not really vulnerable to Highgarden. While he is an attacker, Highgarden couldn't be used on him because it wouldn't succesfully change the game state (he'd still be standing, and still be participating).

You are correct sir, I was too tunnel visioned on the "Is he considered an attacking character" my bad!

If I attached Old Bear's Raven to Jon snow can he then choose stealth targets every time his ability lets him participate in a challenge? I would think so because when he has Long Claw equipped he gains renown, right? or is it about who you initiate the challenge with and I am completely wrong.

It's about who initiates the challange. Stealth triggers when you declare the character as an attacker. Since Jon is never declared as the attacker, he couldn't trigger his stealth.

It's about who initiates the challange. Stealth triggers when you declare the character as an attacker. Since Jon is never declared as the attacker, he couldn't trigger his stealth.

ah that sucks, there goes the jon snow voltron deck

Maybe we should rewind this theorycrafting to the fact that Jon cannot have Mormont's Raven equipred.