God this card is utter shite. Even if it was discard an attachment from your hand to discard another attachment from play regardless of cost I'm not sure it would see play. Why release this in a house with no good attachments (and only a single played location) that already has viserys, and confiscation exists in the meta- it boggles the mind. In the first pack? What were you thinking ffg?

If Lady Daenerys' Chambers comes back and Targ gets a few decent attachments I could see this being a thing.

But yeah it's terrible right now.

Wait until the end of the cycle before juddging a card.

Wait before judging? You must be new here.... 

Wait before judging? You must be new here.... 

Oh yeah it's a big bag of dicks. So much building around to achieve a result that might not always even be triggerable against a lot of opponents. For the one time you get rid of an opponent's Longclaw, Robert's Hammer, etc, etc there'll be 9 where your opponent doesn't even have an attachment in their deck, let alone one you want to target with this. The only way this would become good is if eventually there was card support for a fully attachment-themed deck, which is a way off, and even then it's still too dependent on playing off what your opponent has.

Maybe it will have soon some cards that interracts with the attachement discardeds ? Maybe some days the meta will be closer to an "attachement targaryan". Why spit on a card wich open so much futur doors ?

And in all the case, targs are op right now, so it's better to have a bad card for them now than an op one

Even now, with a fully aggro Targ/Lannister it could be cool, you easily clean a bodyguard or a milk of poppy. The point with this card is that you loose Card avantage (you discard an attachement and "use" this card for one attachement) but you get the gold avantage(one gold vs the amout of golds of the attachement you discards) so it can be pretty effective in a deck with a few more of attachements than usually, seal, arakh and bodyguards are pretty cool on khal or on anyone in a full agressive deck, and you can discard a longclaw or some painfull stuff. For me this card is not bad and can even be played in the current meta.

@Shadowist: I think you missed my point. Generally speaking, people judge without waiting all the time around here. That's not a value statement on whether or not they need to wait, or whether or not their judgments are correct, only an observation on how most conversations begin on these boards.

I'm just evaluating based on experience of similar cards that never found any use in 1st Ed. I could be wrong, but this has 'dust-gatherer' written all over it. As catambroise said above "it could be cool, you easily clean a bodyguard or a milk of poppy". That's probably about as good as you can hope for, in addition to quite a high payment and timing restriction. In terms of the 60 cards you want in your deck this is too reactive to your opponent as an effect, rather than other effects that let you dictate what you want to happen.

On a side note I've never quite understood the flavour of Targs having all the attachment love/hate in this game. The Dothraki I guess have a slight weapon-based feel, but nothing I can recall from the books ever really refers to the main Targ family particularly melting or stealing other people's swords, etc.

nothing I can recall from the books ever really refers to the main Targ family particularly melting or stealing other people's swords, etc.

Too bad they didn't craft a whole throne made of melted swords to prove that

Thematically, Dany associates with many mercenaries.  Mercs loot their enemies, so it kind of fits.

Kind of.

The design space had to be filled by somebody, and giving GJ Attachment -AND- Location control wouldn't make since, and the location control is thematically on-the-nose for them so here we are.

Dany is specifically given a LOT of gifts in book 1 (weapons of superb craftsmanship, a truly exceptional mount (the Silver, not Khal), Dragon eggs). Her time in Qarth involves a fair bit of asking for material support, and Xaro's offer is really just an exchange of gifts.

Dany is specifically given a LOT of gifts in book 1 (weapons of superb craftsmanship, a truly exceptional mount (the Silver, not Khal), Dragon eggs). Her time in Qarth involves a fair bit of asking for material support, and Xaro's offer is really just an exchange of gifts.

During her rule in Meereen, she also abolishes slavery and removes a lot of riches and power from the slave holding nobles (removing little birds, noble lineages, seals, etc.)

Well I think Vaes Dothrak is thematically symbolizing that everyone has to give up their weapons before entering the city. So Khal Drogo gets rid of his Arakh and he makes you drop long claw, so I think its solid in the Nedliness side of things. But the issue with this card is that it is situational at best. I have had decks that play one or two attachments (and it's often seal of the hand which could only be discarded if you pitched your own seal of the hand) so in those match-ups its rather useless right now. But if attachments do start to become degenerate I'm sure this card will help reign them in.

Too bad they didn't craft a whole throne made of melted swords to prove that

Unless they make a card of Aegon the Conqueror I'm not sure how that links to the 'current' generations of Targs that are in the cards.

Eeh... it's all a bit wooly, but I guess someone had to have an attachment theme somewhere in the game. Maybe it would fit more thematically for me if it was the Dothraki traited cards that carried the attachment sub theme, they're the guys who do the most pillaging/stealing for Dany's side. Fingers crossed they make it a viable build in 2nd edition.

In terms of a waste of Nedliness I was always unhappy with 'Mad King's Legacy' plot from 1st ed. "Haha, the Mad King is so mad that he... breaks... everyone's... stationery!".

Unless they make a card of Aegon the Conqueror I'm not sure how that links to the 'current' generations of Targs that are in the cards.

 

Eeh... it's all a bit wooly, but I guess someone had to have an attachment theme somewhere in the game. Maybe it would fit more thematically for me if it was the Dothraki traited cards that carried the attachment sub theme, they're the guys who do the most pillaging/stealing for Dany's side. Fingers crossed they make it a viable build in 2nd edition.

 

In terms of a waste of Nedliness I was always unhappy with 'Mad King's Legacy' plot from 1st ed. "Haha, the Mad King is so mad that he... breaks... everyone's... stationery!".

I can't tell if this is implying that it wasn't viable in first edition or if you just want it to come back...because Dothraki was super viable in first ed. Two of the four decks at the final table of Melee this year were dothraki.

I can't tell if this is implying that it wasn't viable in first edition or if you just want it to come back...because Dothraki was super viable in first ed. Two of the four decks at the final table of Melee this year were dothraki.

I meant in terms of if there was an 'All Attachment' mechanic deck I would thematically see it making sense with Dothraki. The top tier 1st Edition Dothraki were more super-rush board-swamping weren't they? I mean a really dedicated attachment-focused deck

I meant in terms of if there was an 'All Attachment' mechanic deck I would thematically see it making sense with Dothraki. The top tier 1st Edition Dothraki were more super-rush board-swamping weren't they? I mean a really dedicated attachment-focused deck

Ah, yes, that's true the whole Targ attachments thing never really took off.

What about Voltron Viserys?

What about Voltron Viserys?

Yeah but that didn't use any of the attachment centered targ cards like Lady Daenerys' chambers, new Aggo, etc. it just used Vis and a bunch of attachments, so I guess technically yes that was a Targ attachments deck but not the one FFG was aiming for clearly as they nerfed it.

Ideally I could see a deck where the actual build is attachment heavy (fewer events/locations) and eventually after a few chapter cycles something like a 'discard attachment to stand' mechanic, discard pile recursion, characters who get +ATK for their attachments, something like a nice treasure-hording Drogo. I'd be really up for making that build, I always loved making artifact-based decks in Magic.

Even then Vaes Dothrak might only be a one-of as it's still quite dependent on your opponent running an attachment that you want to target, although in that sort of build the payment cost would be less of a problem.

And the timing on it is... Odd. I guess it could be useful to marched your own guy with widows wail to then discard it to remove a milk or bodyguard?

People are talking about this card like Crown of Gold isn't being released.