Does he have to be kneeling first?

Does he have to be kneeling first?

Yes

I just realized that, assuming there's no stealth involved, BarriStand could oppose MIL and negate the claim over and over, as long as you have a Lord or Lady in play. Pretty strong IMHO. He is for sure the 7 coster Tyrell so desperately needs.

I just realized that, assuming there's no stealth involved, BarriStand could oppose MIL and negate the claim over and over, as long as you have a Lord or Lady in play. Pretty strong IMHO. He is for sure the 7 coster Tyrell so desperately needs.

Yes, but you do have to pick a Lord or Lady as claim in order for this to work. So Treachery has to be taken into consideration if you don't have something like Selyse or Shireen on the board, who you don't really mind dying.

My favorite card from this chapter pack.  Barry will get work done for me.  Him and Randy are a good pairing.

Ermmm. If I chose to put to the sword Ser Barristan he wouldnt be able to trigger so thats a bit meh

Not sure but Technically you would save him but he would just die again. but im not sure

No. When an effect is going to continuously drive a character from play, you may not trigger any save ability for that character unless the save ability also changes the conditions that drive the character from play. -- RRG, p. 19

Said less generally (and probably more clearly), you cannot trigger any save against Dracarys! unless it also stops the "kill at 0 STR" effect from happening. Since Barristan does not (unless somehow, his standing increases the STR of the character you are trying to save...), you cannot trigger the save against Dracarys! - no matter how useful it would be for you to have Barristan standing.

Yes, but you do have to pick a Lord or Lady as claim in order for this to work. So Treachery has to be taken into consideration if you don't have something like Selyse or Shireen on the board, who you don't really mind dying.

I was just wondering, if I picked let's say a duped Selyse as claim target, and Barristan get Treachery'd, could you still use the dupe to save Selyse? Would Barristan still stand?

I was just wondering, if I picked let's say a duped Selyse as claim target, and Barristan get Treachery'd, could you still use the dupe to save Selyse? Would Barristan still stand?

You could still use the duplicate to save Selyse. Barristan would still stand because standing him is the cost of the ability. 

Pretty much what I thought, just wanted some confirmation from the rule gods

Can Ser Barristan Selmy save caracter from Tears of Lyr or it is same like with Dracarys? 

From Tears, yes, if he is not standing at the end of the challenge phase, from a death caused by Dracarys, no, but you can still stand him if you want. (because even after he uses his reaction to save a char, that "saved" char still has 0 str and dies to Dracarys because Dracarys lasts until the end of challenge phase.)  

From Tears, yes, if he is not standing at the end of the challenge phase, from a death caused by Dracarys, no, but you can still stand him if you want. (because even after he uses his reaction to save a char, that "saved" char still has 0 str and dies to Dracarys because Dracarys lasts until the end of challenge phase.)  

The second part of this is incorrect. You are not allowed to save from a terminal kill effect without rectifying the terminal aspect, therefore you cannot stand him off a burning Lord or Lady.

Page 19, "Save": "If a constant ability or lasting effect imposes a condition upon a card that would continually drive it from play (for example, a lasting effect that applies to a character over a period of time, and kills that character if its STR is 0), any attempt to save the card must also remedy the ongoing condition. Otherwise, upon resolution of the save attempt, the card is immediately re-exposed to the ongoing condition, and removed from play. Therefore, if the save effect does not also remedy the ongoing condition, it cannot be initiated, as the effect has no potential to change the game state. As such, using a duplicate to save from such an ongoing condition is also prohibited."

"Therefore, if the save effect does not also remedy the ongoing condition, it cannot be initiated, as the effect has no potential to change the game state."

This is kinda stupid because Ser Barristan would stand causing that to change the game state or Measter Aemon to kneel or Iron Mines to discard from play etc. So its an exception to standard "cant use triggered effect if its not changing the game state" rule but oh well, it seems you are right, it seems for whatever reason FFG wants to limit your options against burn. 

Ser Barristan would stand causing that to change the game state or Measter Aemon to kneel or Iron Mines to discard from play etc.

These are all costs. The rule is that card effects must have the potential to change the game state.

So just to clarify: Paying the cost for an ability (itself) is not being considered as a game state change, right?

Also - it's rather counter intuitive when I would think that kneeling/standing a character is a changed game state.

These are all costs. The rule is that card effects must have the potential to change the game state.

• A card ability can only be initiated if its effect has the potential to change the game state. This potential is assessed without taking into account the consequences of the cost payment or any other ability interactions

So If I want to sacrifice a Stark character in plot/marshaling phase in order for my Cait to get 15th power with Jon Snow, I cannot do it because everyone is standing, and even though the cost (someone being sacrificed) and other interactions (Cait getting 1 power) change the game state, because of the fact that i cant stand a unique Stark character, i cannot use Jon Snow's action... Hmmm, well that's just sad but thanks I always thought that its "entire triggered ability" as "its effects" because it makes more intuitive sense.