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Eastern Crows
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Darksbane
, Apr 19 2011 08:27 PM | Last updated Apr 21 2011 03:34 AM
Type: Enemy Encounter Set: Sauron's Reach Threat Threshold: 30 Threat Strength: 1 Attack: 1 Defense: 0 Hit Points: 1 Creature. Surge. Forced: After Eastern Crows is defeated, shuffle it back into the encounter deck. Shadow: Attacking enemy gets +1 Attack. (+2 Attack instead if defending player's threat is 35 or higher.) Set: Core Number: 115 Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Matthew Starbuck |
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9 Comments
Has this ever been errata'd or anyone know if this would not be the case? We went back to this old scenario with one player running Thalin. It eventually ended-up with one of these birds ruining the second-half of the game with such infinite loop (no engaged enemies and only the crows left in the encounter deck). Even with three players drawing two cards each for the last quest card (still during the quest phase), it appears that Thalin just ruins the fun! Please tell me I'm wrong here.
That's not the problem I'm referring to. Their trigger when defeated shuffles them back into the encounter deck, so it appears to break the entire staging once you get down to just it while using Thalin and no engaged enemies.
I'm failing to understand. What do you mean by "breaks the staging"? Maybe if you write out a step by step run-through including what quest stage you're on will help me. Also I'm not sure why you keep mentioning "no engaged enemies".
The way I see it is if I'm playing solo (which I only every do) and have Thalin committed to the quest with nothing but the Eastern Crows in the encounter deck then it would go like this on quest stage 2B: reveal 1st eastern crows, Thalin kills it, it gets shuffled back into the encounter deck, reveal 2nd eastern crows, Thalin again kills it and it gets shuffled back into the encounter deck. Staging is now over. I move onto Quest resolution. If it was the last quest stage it would follow the same steps and then the game would end in a victory with the crows in the encounter deck being considered out of play.
Hi BurnsHood,
We might actually be on the same page? First of all, the reason I mention no engaged enemies is because the crows, as a shadow card, would have a way of leaving the encounter deck and being discarded (not destroyed). Without such (and excluding any special player effects like Core Denethor, for example) they have no option but to be revealed during the staging step.
In our case, we were playing a three player game, and upon reaching the third/final quest card, each player is instructed to reveal two cards each. In the above situation of only the crows remaining, and Thalin having been committed to the quest, as you mentioned in your example, I see this as essentially ruining both the normal staging step as well as the final climax intended for this last quest card. Sure, we could simply not quest Thalin, knowing there is an apparent kink in the system, but doesn't that kind of defeat the point?
Oh, I think I see what you're talking about now. I thought you were having trouble interpreting a rule or something. Like I said I only play solo so I've never had a situation like this where I ran through the entire encounter deck but I can see how that would be possible in a 3-4 player game. If this happens again I guess you can just go ahead and reshuffle the encounter discard pile back into the encounter deck because technically at that point the encounter deck is empty 'cause the crows can't leave it. IDK. Or you can come up with your own house rule. I'm not sure what errata if any they'd could make here beside removing the crows forced effect which would kind of make them pointless.
EDIT: You could amend the last quest stage to read: When Revealed: Shuffle the encounter discard pile into the encounter deck. Reveal 2 encounter cards per player, and add them to the staging area.