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Tyr's Hand



Tyr's Hand

Tyr's Hand


Type: Upgrade: Hostile
Cost: 1
Faction: Corp Haas-Bioroid
Faction Cost: 1
If the Runner is about to break a subroutine on a piece of bioroid ice protecting this server you may rez Tyr's Hand.
[Trash]: Prevent a subroutine from being broken on a piece of bioroid ice protecting this server.
Trash:
Set: Creation and Control Number: 022 Quantity: 3
Illustrator: John Derek Murphy
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14 Comments

Only worth firing if the runner is breaking the subroutines with clicks, if they're using credits they can just pay again to break it again.

And at only one trash cost, you better install somewhere you're sure to be able to use it next run because you'll only get one chance - if the runner gets in, it's gone.
Cost is 1 !
    • Rognik likes this
I like it! It can help copr to protect rezzed Janus/Archer throught Oversight AI.. or it can make net dmg by forbid break subroutine after no-breaked Chum ;-)

I like it! It can help copr to protect rezzed Janus/Archer throught Oversight AI.. or it can make net dmg by forbid break subroutine after no-breaked Chum ;-)

Doesn't work with Archer . . . bioroid only
It's also pretty useless on anything other than bioroids anyways
This card has weird wording. "about to break a subroutine..." That might need some clarification.

This card has weird wording. "about to break a subroutine..." That might need some clarification.


Basically, when they declare they are breaking a subroutine, you can rez Tyr's Hand and stop the subroutine from being broken despite the cost being spent.
    • 4wallz likes this
Just to clarify: You can wait until they have spent credits on increasing strength and spent more to break the subroutine then rez Tyr's hand?

Just to clarify: You can wait until they have spent credits on increasing strength and spent more to break the subroutine then rez Tyr's hand?

Yes it works that way. Tyr's Hand wastes whatever they spent to break it. Just too bad you have to trash it!
How does this work if you're using Sharpshooter or Deus X to break the subs? Does the runner trash the program and then the corp has a window to rez and trigger this to prevent the ice from being broken? And what about Faerie?

Heres an interesting rules question: A runner uses Grappling Hook, say on Wotan. Runner has E3 Feedback Implants. Corp usesTyrs hand to prevent one from being broken. Can the runner spend credits to break more subroutines? Did the runner break the subroutines in a certain order, forceing the corp to prevent the sub the runner breaks last in order to make E3 not work? And does preventing the last sub from being broken close the opportunity to trigger E3?

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KillerShrike
May 05 2015 09:10 AM

So, the runner can just re-break the subroutine, making this card pretty useless most of the time. A lot of overhead for a "trap" that will rarely be impactful.

 

Cards like this generally make me believe that at some point in the design process someone had the idea of a significant effect, but the basic idea got watered down or nerfed or otherwise softened to the point that it was rendered completely de-clawed. Someone must have realized during play testing that the card was worthless, but no one took the opportunity to tweak the card language to up the impact and render the card useful, or else replace it with a better card. So, we get a pretty bookmark like this.

 

And such a shame too, the card art is high contrast and looks good on the table, and the lore reference to Tyr, Norse god of Justice who lost a hand to chain the great wolf Fenris, reenforces the vague germanic / norse thematic thread seen on a fair number of the HB cards.

 

This one could have been a definitive HB card. Imagine Stronger Together if this card were a legitimate threat; suddenly a big pile of bioroid ice backed up by Tyr's Hand and archive recursion; seems less sucky to me.

 

 

I wish this card said something like:

If the Runner is about to break a subroutine on a piece of bioroid ice protecting this server you may rez Tyr's Hand.
Prevent a subroutine on a piece of bioroid ice protecting this server from being broken for the remainder of this run.

Which would make this a powerful card instead of a bookmark.

 

Or even a (anachronistic) Wendigo equivalent:

If the Runner is about to encounter a piece of bioroid ice protecting this server you may rez Tyr's Hand.
Choose a program. The Runner cannot use the chosen program for the remainder of this run.

That would obviously be worth a higher rez cost as it would be potentially deadly, but also more utilitarian.

    • Meadbeard and bozfoogle like this
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AdorablePython
Aug 26 2015 01:17 PM

Now that you mention it, Fenris (the ICE) has one of those in his mouth.

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theamazingmrg
Aug 26 2015 01:53 PM

Now that you mention it, Fenris (the ICE) has one of those in his mouth.

And so he should!


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