IMO opinion, this is the worst card in an all around weak data pack.

It does stack with itself so that's something, but the MU requirements make that non viable. And the 2-inf is discouraging for any odd out of faction combos (Ekomind jankery perhaps) if one were of a mind.

It might provide some utility to a shilouette deck using snitch...but 1) MU and 2) whatever.

Maybe I just don't get it, but I don't see the point of this card for serious play.

Jacking out should be a thing done as a last resort to save your skin; premeditating to take cards to make you extra good at it just seems like planning for failure to me.

I'm experimenting with an Iain deck that will use 3 of these. It has a place. Let's just say that intentionally failing runs can go somewhere, and there are some other cards that can push you right into a win. You might as well make some extra cash while doing it.

I'm not even bumping the memory, beyond the console -- don't need it.

I'm experimenting with an Iain deck that will use 3 of these. It has a place. Let's just say that intentionally failing runs can go somewhere, and there are some other cards that can push you right into a win. You might as well make some extra cash while doing it.

 

I'm not even bumping the memory, beyond the console -- don't need it.

Ok, I'm willing to entertain the notion if you want to go into more detail.

From my perspective, the best case scenario with this card is three installed and snitch or an open server. You could potentially run 4 times for $3 each, making for $12 total, which exceeds Magnum Opus in efficiency once set up.

However, it's burning 4 MU, and requires 4 non-tutorable (in faction) programs to enable.

It also doesn't play well with cards that require a successful run, like Desperado or Security Testing.

It also doesn't forward the game state or move towards a win. You can click for $12 every turn if you like, but a pile of cash wont win the game by itself. And the overhead time of getting the pieces in play makes this impractical to build up a big bank early and then crush as you often wont have all the pieces in play until mid game, if ever.

With the possible exception of a (inefficient) Blackguard forced rez deck where you might want to be using Snitch and Blackgaurd as a denial strategy already and this makes that more efficient, it just seems like there are more efficient and practical ways to make money.

So, I'm curious to hear more about the angle I'm missing that makes this card good. And that isn't sarcasm or snark, I'm genuinely curious; I love it when people find clever uses for "junk" cards.

I agree with everything you've said here, and the idea is totally experimental. Since the deck doesn't play the game "properly," and since I have not yet tested it against a decent opponent, I'm reticent to just throw details up on the net -- I will once I've discovered if the thing is really playable (I'm not pulling your leg), but I really don't want to post the details and have some fool play it against me in the next few weeks . . . I will post the details once I have it working (or, even if it doesn't work).

If it works, it'll be annoying as anything to the Corp, and possibly raise the usefulness of a couple of other cards (including some that will help the Corp defend against it); if it doesn't, well, it'll just be another idea that didn't work . . . there are still some problems to solve, of course.

You're on the right track with Snitch, and you are correct that tutoring is an issue. The deck gives the Corp a big lead before bringing the hammer down. Iain and Logos shine in such an environment. What I'm working on doesn't use the other cards you've mentioned.

Thanks for engaging with this.

I've built an Iain deck involving Au Revoir, too. And I've tested it against my friend - with great success. The Combo goes as following:

1. make a run aiming at an unrezed piece of ice and jack out immediately, using Snitch. You now gain up to 3 credits from Au Revoir and a tag from John Masanori.

2. use Data Leak Reversal, trashing a Card of R&D

3. use Data Leak Reversal again, trashing another Card of R&D

4. use Networking to remove the tag and pay 1 credit so it goes back to your grip

It does take a while to set up all the Cards needed, but Logos and Express Delivery will help you a lot to find the missing pieces. Meanwhile, Au Revoir, Iain's ability and Underworld Contacts will increase your economy. So just do your Combo over and over again until the corp advances its next valuable Agenda, for which you will have enough Money to make a run on. When the game seems to come to an end, you can use Hades Shard or make a run on archives and steal all the agendas you have milled.

Cat's out of the bag: sounds like we're working on the same thing, AdorablePython . . . you're testing the same core concept that I am -- all the same cards. I have not had a chance to do it against a real opponent, so it's good to hear that it's working on some level.

Setup time is definitely the problem, but it has a Noise feel to it. I'm finding Early Bird to be useful in milling 3 off R&D on a few turns.

I've built an Iain deck involving Au Revoir, too. And I've tested it against my friend - with great success. The Combo goes as following:

 

1. make a run aiming at an unrezed piece of ice and jack out immediately, using Snitch. You now gain up to 3 credits from Au Revoir and a tag from John Masanori.

2. use Data Leak Reversal, trashing a Card of R&D

3. use Data Leak Reversal again, trashing another Card of R&D

4. use Networking to remove the tag and pay 1 credit so it goes back to your grip

 

It does take a while to set up all the Cards needed, but Logos and Express Delivery will help you a lot to find the missing pieces. Meanwhile, Au Revoir, Iain's ability and Underworld Contacts will increase your economy. So just do your Combo over and over again until the corp advances its next valuable Agenda, for which you will have enough Money to make a run on. When the game seems to come to an end, you can use Hades Shard or make a run on archives and steal all the agendas you have milled.

So, a criminal mill deck using imported Anarch cards. Seems like a lot of moving pieces for Iain to basically pretend like he is Noise, but one thing I've learned is that Iain is great for fun criminal decks that do odd & unexpected things surprisingly well.

I'd love to watch a youtube vid of a game using such a deck to see if it functions viably.

What's its win rate vs NEH AstroTrain, RP Glacier, Cambridge PE, and Blue Sun?

So, a criminal mill deck using imported Anarch cards. Seems like a lot of moving pieces for Iain to basically pretend like he is Noise, but one thing I've learned is that Iain is great for fun criminal decks that do odd & unexpected things surprisingly well.

 

I'd love to watch a youtube vid of a game using such a deck to see if it functions viably.

 

What's its win rate vs NEH AstroTrain, RP Glacier, Cambridge PE, and Blue Sun?

My thought so far is that it's not quite there yet to be a heavy hitter against mainline competitive corp IDs. It's a fun "thought experiment" that needs something else to really make it work, but without becoming more complex. At some point it might be great, or at least good, but it's not A1 super right now, and it's the many moving pieces you've pointed to.

I think this may be viable against RP? Of course you need to know youre playing against that particular identity.

Good with Eater and cutlery?

So, this is a video of a Leela Snitch / Au Revoir deck, going up against HB EtF. He gets the Snitch + Au Revoir combo basically going and does make some cash off of it, and plays a very cat and mouse sort of game with the corporation. Very busy, very odd combination of breakers. But it works well enough in the video. However, I'd still like to see this sort of deck go up against a by the numbers NEH AstroTrain; the set up time and combo reliance just seems like it would be dicey vs an aggressive fast advance deck.