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Jaqen H'ghar



Jaqen H'ghar

Unique Jaqen H'ghar



Type: Character House: Baratheon Greyjoy Lannister Martell Stark Targaryen
Cost: 5 Strength: 3 Icons: Military,Intrigue, Power
Game Text:
Banned
Ally.
Ambush. Stalwart. Intimidate. Infamy. Vigilant. Vengeful.
Jaqen H'ghar gets +1 STR for each power on him.
Flavor Text: "A man sees. A man hears. A man knows."
Crest: Learned
Number: 43 Set: SB
Quantity: 1 Illustrator: Linda Tso
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55 Comments

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Wolfbrother
Mar 01 2013 02:48 AM
looking forward to the reprinted legal version : )
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emptyrepublic
Mar 01 2013 04:54 AM
Anyone have a clue what they are going to make him legal?
    • FunnyGIRLportugal likes this
If I were to make legal version out of this I would make it so that he gains the keyword that goes with your house card. Or maybe even go as far to give it the keyword of your house and your opponents.
It will be legal because you need to discard 1 power from your house to gain a keyword of your choice.
As Claudiu said, his new text is "Any Phase: Discard 1 Power from your house to give Jaqen H'ghar a keyword of your choice until the end of the phase".
Combine this with unchanged cost, STR and crappy Ally trait and you have a card that's both a gold and power sink.
However, for non-competitive matches I expect he'll be very fun to play.
@Rohjub Not true if they rule that you can discard multiple 1 powers from your house card in Any Phase. i discarded 1 power to give him renown, discard 1 power to give him vigilant, & 1 power to give him stealth. I did that & he gained 15 power by himself in one challenge phase for me last game I played.
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slothgodfather
Jul 17 2013 04:09 PM

@Rohjub Not true if they rule that you can discard multiple 1 powers from your house card in Any Phase.

There is no need to "rule" something... it is an Any Phase ability that does not have a printed limit (or errata). Provided you can pay the cost, you can trigger it as many times as you want.

he gained 14 power by himself in one challenge phase


How? If all 3 challenges are UO that's 6 power in Renown and UO. Even if you have 3 claim + opposing titles in a melee game that is still only 10 power.
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asmoothcriminal
Jul 17 2013 04:35 PM
Well if he went in with other renown characters, but was able to get the UO because of Jaqen I could see that. I like this bro because you can use a lot of the Martell character only effects on him as well. Lost Oasis with Vigilant can be pretty big...
    • GameOfPwns likes this

@Rohjub Not true if they rule that you can discard multiple 1 powers from your house card in Any Phase. i discarded 1 power to give him renown, discard 1 power to give him vigilant, & 1 power to give him stealth. I did that & he gained 14 power by himself in one challenge phase for me last game I played.


So you turned him into an expensive, Ally-traited Stannis Baratheon (VM)? Still not convinced.
    • kizerman86 likes this

How? If all 3 challenges are UO that's 6 power in Renown and UO. Even if you have 3 claim + opposing titles in a melee game that is still only 10 power.

  • Played Rise of the Kraken (KotS) plot.
  • An opponent played After the Mummer's Ford (KotS) for their plot.
  • Another opponent had the agenda The Power Behind the Throne (LotR).
  • Challenge Phase: I had 2 power on my Greyjoy house card, discarded 2 to give him Renown & Vigilant. I then won an unopposed MIL challenge against Lanni PbtT, to clear their board of their only character. (1 Renown power for Jaqen & 2 unopposed power because of my RotK plot) [Total of 3 Power earned so far]
  • Jaqen stood for winning the MIL challenge (Vigilant). I discarded 1 power to give him stealth.
  • I then INT challenged the Lanni opponent for unopposed win. That is + 4 power ( 1 power for unopposed, 1 for RotK plot unopposed, 1 for Renown & 1 for winning against PbtT agenda.) [Total of 7 Power earned so far]
  • He stood (Vigilant) & the went to work on my Stark opponent, Stealthing past for the unopposed win. That's +5 power (1 for Renown, 1 for unopposed, 1 for RotK unopposed, 2 for claim of a PWR challenge) [Total of 12 Power earned so far]
  • I then had one more MIL challenge, thanks to the Stark player who played After the Mummer's Ford (KotS) so I went to work on Lanni (Who had not characters) for an unopposed win. That's + 3 power (1 for Renown, 1 for unopposed, 1 for RotL unopposed). [Total of 15 Power earned so far]
  • Game Over
    • ScarletRebel likes this
He's best when you bring him out mid game, really when you have 2 to 3 power so you can get him the right keywords for the job.
The round before that ^ my Lanni opponent tried to leach off of Jaqen by playing Slander and Lies (HtS) on him. NO SIR! I discarded 1 power to give Jaqen "No Attachments" & shook those haters off!
    • ScarletRebel likes this

  • Played Rise of the Kraken (KotS) plot.
  • An opponent played After the Mummer's Ford (KotS) for their plot.
  • Another opponent had the agenda The Power Behind the Throne (LotR).
  • Challenge Phase: I had 2 power on my Greyjoy house card, discarded 2 to give him Renown & Vigilant. I then won an unopposed MIL challenge against Lanni PbtT, to clear their board of their only character. (1 Renown power for Jaqen & 2 unopposed power because of my RotK plot) [Total of 3 Power earned so far]


Now this is a favorable position. But it's not really a convincing argument in Jaqen's favor.
    • GameOfPwns and kizerman86 like this
True that I had favorable position going into it, but are you seriously saying that you would not play him in any deck? I discarded 3 power to gain 15. Who would say no to that?

are you seriously saying that you would not play him in any deck?


Well, I never said anything like this, but since you are asking: I would never play him in any tournament deck with current card pool. That said, he sure can be fun.

I discarded 3 power to gain 15. Who would say no to that?


I would say: at that point Asha and any weenie with power icon would have won you this game as well. But again - I can see his potential.
    • GameOfPwns and Alaka like this
Just got a ruling from FF on "Immune" keywords:

Immune is a keyword, but the following text of that keyword is considered modifying game text, in short you could not select Jaqen H'ghar to be immune to anything. As to what keywords can be chosen, only those that appear on a printed legal card in the LCG is a possible choice.
Here is the problem with all of that. All they have to do is just make you not win 1 challenge or make him not participate in that one challenge. As long as you do not hit 15 power, they can just bring Varys out and you have lost that character that you stacked all that power on. You really got the best case scenario. Do not ever expect that type of thing to happen more then once or twice. He has the potential to be crazy but unless your for sure your going to win that turn, your dedicating way to many eggs into your basket. If they have any way to deal with him, you just wasted 5 gold on a character.
Well when Varys comes out its not necessarily goodnight Jaqen. Discard 1 power to give him Stalwart & he's on top of my deck. That would be fun aggro for a HoD Gates of Winterfell deck.

Yes he is fragile, & not worth a play if there is less than 2 power on your house card in the challenge phase.

Well when Varys comes out its not necessarily goodnight Jaqen. Discard 1 power to give him Stalwart & he's on top of my deck. That would be fun aggro for a HoD Gates of Winterfell deck.

Yes he is fragile, & not worth a play if there is less than 2 power on your house card in the challenge phase.


You can't do that. There is no window during shadows where you can use his effect to stop Varys. Varys IS the end all be all when it comes to Jaquen. There is no way that Jaquen himself can keep himself safe from Varys. Theres no window for you to use a any phase action during the shadows action window. Also, since Varys is not a triggered effect, you can't cancel him either. The only way that you can stop him is with a dupe or with Blood And Fire out of Targ......that i know of.

Edit: Besides, even if you could do that, his ability isn't a response, so you can't use it when Varys comes out of shadows to give him Stalwart.
Any phase means what It says. Read page 12 of the official Rules Clarification:

"A card is “discarded from play” if it is removed from play by a discard effect. Unless affected by a replacement effect, cards that have been discarded from play are placed in the discard pile when they leave the moribund state."

Just like Joffrey Baratheon (Core) can claim 1 power while he is in the moribund state after being killed, (Which happened to me once for my opponent to gain his 15th power. lol) so can Jaqen discard 1 power to gain Stalwart in the moribund state after being discarded by shadow Varys. (Yes I know Joffrey's ability is a Response.)

Here is from pg. 13 of the rules:

"A play restriction is an element that controls when or how often the character ability may be triggered. Viserion's ability has one play restriction. In its text, 'Dominance:' restricts which phase the ability may be triggered. If a character ability has the text 'Any Phase:' it is a way of specifying that the ability does not have a phase play restriction (though it may have other play restrictions).
If you cannot meet the play restrictions of a character ability, you may not trigger that character ability. Not all character abilities have play restrictions."

There is a Player Action Window after every, "Bring Cards Out of Shadows" framework action.
While you are correct, your missing the main problem. If i remember correctly, the problem with this entire thing is that Stalwart must be on the character before it is discarded from play.

Stalwart (Stark) - When a card with the “Stalwart” keyword is killed or discarded from play, it is placed on the top of its owner’s deck instead of being placed in the dead or discard pile.

You see, at the point and time that he would be gaining Stalwart, he is already discarded from play. I believe the way this has been ruled is that Stalwart only affects the destination of Moribound if it is on the character before it is discarded from play. I think the justification on this is that it changes the destination of Moribound when the character is discarded/killed. The point at which you can give him Stalwart is after the point that he has been discarded from play. So, Stalwart wont change the destination because it missed the moment for that to happen. At least i believe this is the way it has been ruled. I'm about 90% sure on this. This entire discussion was had as soon as the spoiler hit and was determined to not work if i remember correctly.

EDIT: Actually according to stuff i've just read, you can't use any-phase actions during Moribound. You can use responses but you can't use Any-phase actions. So, what i just said doesn't even matter. This is the actual reason why he doesn't work. Only responses can be used during Moribound state. However, even if it was a response, i believe what i just said above is still the case on why it wouldn't work.
I am pretty sure the moribund state ends when the response window closes, so you wouldn't even be able to give him Stalwart in the first place.

If it is not the case, it means you can nightmare a charagenda when it is moribunded or sweep the board with Poisoned Wine during a Threat from the North turn. No?

I always thought the moribund state ended when the response window close, so you wouldn't even be able to give him Stalwart in the first place.

Not completely sure to be honest. I'm not a expert on Stalwart. I just know that Stalwart doesn't work VS Jaqen when it comes to Varys. I was just reading the preview thread of Jaqen and the question was asked if you could give him Stalwart while Moribund and Kennon ((Will Kennon)) came back and said that you couldn't and that even if you could, it wouldn't do anything productive. Thats his exact words and i trust his rulings a lot more then my own. So.......I feel perfect confident in saying that there is no way that Jaqen can protect himself against Varys.

EDIT: Good point hop. Once a Charagenda enters Moribund you can't do anything to prevent it from becoming a agenda. That right there disproves the ability to use a any-phase action during moribund. Good catch.
Can you link that preview thread on here please Karma? That might iron things out about the Stalwart trait.



The only way that you can stop him is with a dupe or with Blood And Fire out of Targ......that i know of.


For what it is worth, you could also use Maester of the Sun (ASoS), Strong Belwas (VD) or Maester Wendamyr (KotS).