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Orell the Eagle
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Today, 08:44 AM by chem2702

I love how he has the "Skinchanger" trait, but the "Skinchanger" character does not.

Tyene Sand
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Mar 04 2015 07:39 PM by VonWibble
Note it also prevents you raising your own claim, eg with Arianne Martell or the war crest Red Viper.
Tyene Sand
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Mar 04 2015 06:30 PM by Avatar

Yes, Tyene's response appears to make the claim on your plot card ignore the lowering effect of LMCB for the duration of the phase.

Tyene Sand
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Mar 04 2015 06:12 PM by BobbyB

'While set, the value cannot be raised or lowered' would effect Loyalty Money Can Buy right?  Because it 'Lowers' claim and this one specifically says 'Cannot be raised or lowered'?

Holding Council
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Mar 04 2015 06:08 PM by ktom

Yes. The "Limited" restriction only applies to cards that are marshalled/played. "Put into play" effects do not check it.

Holding Council
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Mar 04 2015 05:57 PM by BobbyB

Would this circumvent the Limited restriction because it's being 'Put into play'?  I feel like I've read that here or in the rules before, but wanted to confirm. Thanks.

The Wall
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Mar 04 2015 04:35 PM by ktom

Well... technically, The Wall's effect is continuous, not passive. So as soon as the Baratheon character is in play, it gains the power icon and the Night's Watch trait -- even before passives and responses to playing the character are initiated. It's the same reason Power of Blood (continuous) is always active before Valar (passive). The original post was questioning whether or not the card enters play before or after the cost is paid, which would affect whether the continuous effect was applied before or after the cost is paid.

The Wall
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Mar 04 2015 03:33 PM by NikolaP

In the Marshalling example in the core rulebook it talks about how a card is played before the gold cost is met. "He chooses to play Eddard Stark (House Stark, cost 4), and moves 4 gold tokens from his gold pool, back into the treasury. Then, Darrell plays Jon Snow (neutral, cost 3), and moves 3 gold tokens from his gold pool, back into the treasury." If a card is played first and the gold cost is satisfied after, would you be able to play out of house Night's Watch characters without paying a gold penalty, assuming you're playing as Baratheon and its Winter? Is my interpretation of how cards are played correct?

Playing a card is a player action. Like any player action, it's initiated (play out of house character, pay the cost), if not canceled it's resolved. Then, passives kick in (The Wall), then responses to playing character.
So, The Wall's passive effect won't make your character Baratheon when playing it.
Al least that's my interpretation. :)
Gunthor Son of Gurn
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Mar 04 2015 02:16 PM by BobbyB

Awesome! Thanks!  I was pretty sure that this would be the answer, but thought it couldn't hurt to ask.  I know it's going to come up in my local meta when the time comes lol. 

The Wall
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Mar 03 2015 09:23 PM by chem2702

I'm pretty sure that the card isn't considered as being "played" until the gold cost has been paid, so the "If it is Winter..." effect of The Wall wouldn't come into effect until after the gold cost has been paid.

The Wall
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Mar 03 2015 09:17 PM by ktom

Your interpretation of how cards are played is not correct. The cost is paid before the card is played/enters play. Check the FAQ, p. 18-19 for the order in which things are done when playing a card/initiating an effect. 

The Wall
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Mar 03 2015 06:55 PM by Bulge

In the Marshalling example in the core rulebook it talks about how a card is played before the gold cost is met. "He chooses to play Eddard Stark (House Stark, cost 4), and moves 4 gold tokens from his gold pool, back into the treasury. Then, Darrell plays Jon Snow (neutral, cost 3), and moves 3 gold tokens from his gold pool, back into the treasury." If a card is played first and the gold cost is satisfied after, would you be able to play out of house Night's Watch characters without paying a gold penalty, assuming you're playing as Baratheon and its Winter? Is my interpretation of how cards are played correct?

Gunthor Son of Gurn
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Mar 02 2015 11:19 PM by ktom

Remember that the draw cap says you can only draw 3 card by card effects each round. So effectively, as part of the play restrictions for each draw effect, you ask, "How many cards have I drawn so far this round?" By ignoring the draw cap, this card ignores that play restriction and never asks that question. But that doesn't make the cards you drew for it "invisible" to the next draw effect that comes along -- and does ask the question.

Gunthor Son of Gurn
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Mar 02 2015 11:17 PM by chem2702

Perhaps I have misinterpreted the text, but I understand it as for this effect, you can draw cards while ignoring the draw cap but that these cards would still be considered as having been "drawn" afterwards, so that if there was an opportunity to draw further cards, you would not be able to if you already reached the draw cap.

Gunthor Son of Gurn
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Mar 02 2015 10:39 PM by slothgodfather

If this effect "ignores the draw cap", then why would the cards count at all towards the draw cap?

Compelled by the North
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Mar 02 2015 09:43 PM by chem2702

Conceivably you could have out-of-house Banner attachments as well.

Gunthor Son of Gurn
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Mar 02 2015 09:40 PM by chem2702

The draw cap is only ignored for this effect, but keep in mind that any cards you draw through this effect are counted towards any subsequent draws that round. So if this effect allows you to draw 5 or more cards, you won't be able to draw any further cards for the round.

Gunthor Son of Gurn
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Mar 02 2015 08:49 PM by BobbyB

If I draw 3 cards for this effect, and have not drawn any otherwise this round, will I still be able to draw up to 3 more after the effect?  Or is it just during the effect that the draw cap is ignored? 

Frozen Moat
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Mar 02 2015 03:50 PM by ktom

All the ink in the text box is blanked. That includes traits and keywords. It does not include crests or challenge icons; they are not considered part of the text box.

Burning Bridges
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Mar 02 2015 03:48 PM by ktom

No. Neither are triggered.

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