Blood Magic Ritual

Also, if you run crown of meereen you can choose this attachment (providing its on one of your characters) and move it to an oppenents, the discard with one of many targ attachment discards, that character would then be killed

*edit* Zeiler pointed out to me that the kill effect looks like a lasting effect put on by the Response of bringing Blood Magic Ritual out of shadows, which would make this trick not work. (LinK)

Actually alex2004 is right agktmte. The character still comes into play, it just immediately dies after it comes into play because BMR can't attach and is then discarded. There was actually a ruling question about this on the FFG forums and ktom said that the character still comes into play, it would just die as soon as it did. However, if you were doing it to get a dupe you would still get the dupe out of it because the character comes into play as a dupe and not a actual character. Thus when BMR would kill the character it returns a null value because the character is not there. It never entered play as a character, it entered play as a dupe.


This is the ruling directly from ktom. People were argue is the hatchling is or isn't a passive effect, so ignore that part of his post.




The ruling has always beed (and it is a ruling) that when a dupe is either played or put into play, it enters play directly as a dupe. It is never in play as a character, etc. So, if you use Blood Magic Ritual to put a dupe into play (by choosing a second copy of a unique character you already have in play), the chosen card will enter play as a dupe - before the attachment fails to attach, activating the "kill if" effect of BMR. So because of the timing in that situation, there is nothing to decide.

On the Hatchling situation, keep in mind that BMR isn't "after BMR leaves play or is discarded," either. It is "if BMR leaves play or is discarded...," the same as the Hatchlings text of "if you control the adult version...". You can quibble about whether the Hatchling is passive or not, but whatever your answer is, the unattached-BMR-kill is going to be the same thing. So if they become valid at the same time, they will conflict and the first player will get to decide the order. That means the "First player gets to decide whether the hatchling becomes a dupe before BMR kills, or BMR kills before the hatchling becomes a dupe" conclusion is correct, too.





So, basically how it works with No Attachment characters now is this. You bring a dragon into play. It actually does enter play. BMR attempts to attach but can not and is thus discarded from play triggering the kill if this card can not be attached part. At this point you can then proceed to save the character because it does enter play.

When would you ever be permitted to have a character in play and a dupe of it in the dead pile?