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Naval Superiority


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Naval Superiority

Naval Superiority



Type: Plot House: Neutral
Income:3 Initiative: 3 Claim: 1
Game Text:

Raise the claim value on your revealed plot card by 2 during challenges in which you have declared a [Naval] attacker.
Number: 40 Set: TGF
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Lukasz Jaskolski
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32 Comments

is this plot serious ?
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ShadowcatX2000
Mar 04 2013 01:28 PM
Frightening, isn't it?
3/3/3 claim makes this an auto-restrict in the next faq, maybe banned. 3 mil and 3 int destroys the game of any player if done in the same turn. Raises the value of forgotten plans allot thou.
Or Desolate Passage (TRS) for that matter. ;)
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slothgodfather
Mar 04 2013 04:09 PM
Do note that you have to declare one of your attackers using the new enhancement ability. So unless you are using the new fleets it could take up to 6 characters to make this plot 3 claim for each challenge. Or some known kneeling ones with Asha Greyjoy (WLL) or Longship Grief (CD) and 1 of each icon with the naval enhancement.
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emptyrepublic
Mar 04 2013 04:13 PM
Given the number of weeny characters they are churning out with the naval enhancement I don't think it'll be that hard to reach. Though you do have a point in that it's unlikely someone will be able to do three 3 claim challenges in one turn.
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ShadowcatX2000
Mar 04 2013 04:37 PM
Makes me wonder if this plot is the reason non-kneeling KoF and standing Robert were restricted. . .
I can sorta see that argument actually. However, if that's the case, they really must have a sweet spot for GJ, with Asha Greyjoy (WLL) staying off the list...
im afraid people will make naval decks just so they can play this plot. 3/3/3 too strong. unlikely to get all 3 challenges yes but people will find a way and it will happen. If this card was imagined by someone in the make your own card forum people would flame it.
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ShadowcatX2000
Mar 04 2013 06:24 PM

I can sorta see that argument actually. However, if that's the case, they really must have a sweet spot for GJ, with Asha Greyjoy (WLL) staying off the list...


I think after the changes to the restricted list a serious argument can be made that they have a sweet spot for GJ period. One of the top houses at gencon, the top deck at Stahleck. What did the house loose? Refugees, which every house lost.

But on topic, this is the card that I think will be Martell's worst nightmare. They can't ever realistically play it, and yet it is so good they have to have an answer for it. (And Zatoichi is right, if this card was on the design your own card I'd absolutely hate it. Giving 5/6ths (or 6/7ths) the houses the opportunity to use a 3 claim plot is bonkers.)
It's not like 3-claim wasn't possible before this plot. Winter is Coming, Rorge, and The Burned Men all come to mind.

It's not like 3-claim wasn't possible before this plot. Winter is Coming, Rorge, and The Burned Men all come to mind.


Notice how none of those cards is a plot card.
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emptyrepublic
Mar 05 2013 02:36 AM

Notice how none of those cards is a plot card.


The other issue is that the base claim value is now a three from the plot alone. Stark can easily bump that up to a 5 now. 5 claim, that's Valar levels of character death, and this is before we even talk about murder effects. All from a single challenge.

Focused offense at least had the limitation of one challenge and not being able to defend.
Targ could abuse this pretty easily between stuff like Long Lances, Khal Drogo, Ambush From The Plains, and multi-challenge dragons making it quite easy to get "six" characters worth of challenges in one round without overextending.

I think Baratheon will be able to abuse the holy hell out of this plot since Vigilant is pretty much the bee's knees for getting lots of attacks in. It will not surprise me if Bara runs Stark's new White Harbor Dromon location that can give a character Renown and all 3 naval enhancements every turn. None of these pieces are bad on their own, but put together and it's just crazypants.

Notice how none of those cards is a plot card.


Notice how I never said they were. I agree that this plot is probably really strong, but there are some people that seem to think this plot will be the death of the game, and I feel that they are overreacting. It's a 3/3/1 plot with the ability to raise the claim. Looks like a great time to play Red Vengeance, or kneel the naval characters, etc.
What I meant was that: the fact, that 3-claim was possible before this plot (with help of cards you listed) in no way diminishes the impact of this card, because, since cards you listed are not plots, they:
a ) can be combined with this plot
b ) are easier to deal with, if you face them
new victorian greyjoy will make a 4 claim MIL challenge and with some warship support hard to see him not winning the chalenge.
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Yeeeeeeeah...... if naval enhancements were actually going to be rare or only on expensive characters that would be one thing, but they seem to be making plenty of cheap non-uniques with them. Not to mention things like White Harbor Dromon which will just give the enhancement to anything. In light of that I don't see how this is going to be balanced. Sure, you might not be able to get your 3 claim challenge through, but I'm sure that people will be able to do it sometimes as well and probably swing the game when they do, and there's no drawback to this plot so there's no reason not to try.

I think that's what really bugs me about it; Focused Offence is fine because of its enormous drawback, but this can potentially do the same thing with no risk to the plot's user at all.
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asmoothcriminal
Mar 05 2013 05:07 PM

new victorian greyjoy will make a 4 claim MIL challenge and with some warship support hard to see him not winning the chalenge.

I was just thinking this, which is why I checked this forum. A simple way to get a 4 claim challenge is absurd. It should take much more to get a 4 claim challenge.
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SwordofMorning
Mar 17 2013 05:29 AM
Isn't max claim 3 regardless?
Not unless otherwise stated. ie The Bastard's Boys (ARotD)
Its just a ridiculous plot.
The geek & fan of the GRRM series in me is way too proud of this card creation. I say bravo to FF for making gamers have to think & worry about cards with more than just 2 claim. Remember, this is the "Greyjoy" themed series. Nothing is fair. Gamers need to adapt or die, same as the characters in the world of ASOI&F.
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Does the claim remain raised if the naval attacker is somehow removed from the challenge?
In particular I want to pull off following combo in melee with this plot: declare POW challenge with Robert Baratheon (TGM) as your only attacker -> declare any naval attacker (f.e. River Runner (TGF)) -> after defenders have been declared use Compelled by the Crown (CtB) to remove all characters except Robert and one of the defenders -> win the challenge and get 3 power from every opponent. Will it work?
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slothgodfather
Apr 21 2013 12:41 AM
Pretty sure for this effect they need to be in the challenge at the time of resolution. Unlike The Bastard's Boys (ARotD) who raise claim for the phase after they kneel, since there is no duration on this effect it only counts during the resolution of the challenge.