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Negotiations at the Great Sept

Submitted Darksbane , Mar 21 2013 05:09 AM | Last updated Jun 21 2014 05:43 AM

Negotiations at the Great Sept

Type: Plot House: Neutral
Income:3 Initiative: 2 Claim: 2
Game Text:
Intrigue Gambit. City.
If you have no other City plots in your used pile, choose an opponent. You and that opponent may each choose to shuffle your hands of at least 1 card into your decks, and replace them with the top 5 cards of the same deck.
Number: 59 Set: TPoL
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Melissa Findley

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17 Comments

LorasTyrell

Mar 21 2013 07:43 AM

I don't get the text of this card... Am I the only one?

Arzoo

Mar 21 2013 08:03 AM

It gives each player to reshuffle their hand and draw 5 new cards (as long as they had at least 1 card in their hand to start). Crazy good for decks that play most of their hand in the first turn (or lose a lot to intrigue).

Wolfbrother

Mar 21 2013 09:38 AM

arzoo hit it on the head and its another card to try and tempt people to not run city plots, which isn't likely to happen because they are amazing and offer a veritable toolbox of useful effects

LorasTyrell

Mar 21 2013 11:09 AM

So I play ALL my cards but one in turn 1, I shuffle it back and get 5 cards? WTF?!

ShadowcatX2000

Mar 21 2013 11:49 AM

@wolfbrother: I'm not sure I agree, the City plots are great, sure, but this plot is AMAZING! It may very well be enough to get people to play other plots. (Because let's be honest, you can have an amazing plot deck without the city plots as well.)

emptyrepublic

Mar 21 2013 11:52 AM

Doesn't matter which turn, this is really useful for decks that play a lot of effects very quickly. Full scale win if you chose an opponent who has 5 or more cards in there hand when you have only 1. Huge potential swings to balance hand sizes.

slothgodfather

Mar 21 2013 03:04 PM

Your opponent doesn't have to use the ability. You are giving them the option with "... may each choose to ..."

Also, it is very interesting that it says "no other city plots". Does this mean you can duplicated it with that other city plot?

Zatoichi

Mar 21 2013 03:42 PM

is it me, or is this plot just stupidly OP and an auto include in all non city decks? I mean it basically rewards people for either loosing or over extending, neither of which being healthy to me. i just dont see why there needs to be a card like this. and its claim 2!

if you want people to stop playing cities, stop making more awesome ones and make rivers better or something!

GameOfPwns

Mar 21 2013 03:45 PM

It has the capability of a mini-Rule by Decree (Core) in it. You find yourself with 5 cards or fewer when you opponent has more than 5 (or a card in hand that you know you don't want to see anytime soon) & boom you have successfully discarded down their hand while refilling yours.

Angarde

Mar 21 2013 04:38 PM

It's a little crazy that in chapter pack "Pirates of Lys" are so many City plots. I thought that here will be more River ones... Not bad plot but I personally do not like to use plots which give some bonuses to my opponents (even if benefits are mutual)

ShadowcatX2000

Mar 21 2013 05:38 PM

It's a little crazy that in chapter pack "Pirates of Lys" are so many City plots. I thought that here will be more River ones... Not bad plot but I personally do not like to use plots which give some bonuses to my opponents (even if benefits are mutual)

Normally I would agree with you, but it is easy enough to set up where you're getting far more value out of this than your opponent is.

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Zatoichi

Mar 21 2013 06:53 PM

It has the capability of a mini-Rule by Decree (Core) in it. You find yourself with 5 cards or fewer when you opponent has more than 5 (or a card in hand that you know you don't want to see anytime soon) & boom you have successfully discarded down their hand while refilling yours.

its actually not a mandatory effect for your opponent, so its unlikely he would choose to discard if he had more than 5.

Reldan

Mar 24 2013 03:03 AM

Nice templating on this one... Shouldn't this say "When Revealed"? General plots with non-passive effects need to say when their effect actually occurs.

I love that people will probably use the bad wording as a reasoning why you can't Outwit this.

emptyrepublic

Mar 24 2013 04:58 AM

Nice templating on this one... Shouldn't this say "When Revealed"? General plots with non-passive effects need to say when their effect actually occurs.

I love that people will probably use the bad wording as a reasoning why you can't Outwit this.

Apparently FFG managed to get this card corrected before it went to print. Word is the "when revealed" will be on the card.

ShadowcatX2000

Mar 24 2013 01:12 PM

When revealed is indeed on the card.

biggs369

Jun 29 2013 09:39 PM

How does this interact with Bay of Ice if you win init? Do you draw the card before or after the 'when revealed' effect?

kizerman86

Jun 30 2013 04:29 AM

Any response to revealing a plot comes after resolution of "when revealed" effects. Soyou would mulligan to 5, then respond with the (passive) bay of ice to draw one after refilling from negotiations. Then probably draw 3 more with TLV.

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Negotiations at the Great Sept

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