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Dragon Sight



Dragon Sight

Dragon Sight



Type: Attachment House: Targaryen
Cost:2
Game Text:
Skill.
House Targaryen only.
Attach to your House card. If if is Summer, when you declare a challenge type, your opponent must declare defenders before you declare attackers. The opportunity for your opponent to declare defenders after you declare attackers is lost.
Number: 5 Set: ASoS
Quantity: 1 Illustrator: Tomasz Jedruszek
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21 Comments

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jackmerridew
May 04 2012 02:55 PM
i love this card like a fat kid love cake, but i have been underwhelmed with it every time i have included it in a deck
I've always wondered how well this card would work, just never tried it. If it's Summer and your opponent overextends their defense characters, Field of Fire could be thrown in before you declare attackers. That could be devastating.... could be.
The main problem is that it renders stealth useless.
But you can build your deck around not having stealth. I think that is just something you have to take into account when finding a slot for this card in a deck. I've played the card in a few different builds but I feel that you really need to tailor the deck to take advantage of this card to really get good use out of it.
I suppose it's great in a deck with lots of deadly characters, because either you get unopposed challenges or you get to kill some characters.
I have to declare a challenge and then my opponent declares the defenders. Does he kneel them? If then can I decide not to use any characters and essentially just kneel his characters but lose out on that challenge type?
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slothgodfather
Apr 18 2013 05:09 PM
Correct. Yes he kneels them. This means your characters with stealth will never have much of an effect because defenders are being declared before there are attackers.
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slothgodfather
Apr 18 2013 05:10 PM
I have a question of my own. With the way it is worded, does this stop Naval defenders from being added later? I assume not but figured I'd ask.
Doesn't declaring via the naval mechanic still count as declaring defenders? Thus, you couldn't add them later?

I can see it both ways but I think you probably can't add them.
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slothgodfather
Apr 18 2013 06:01 PM
Because of things like the LTV/Summer agenda only effecting the card drawn during the framework window of drawing cards I can see the argument that this only affects the standard framework window of declaring defenders and not a cancel to player actions that declare defenders.
So if they declare defenders, I can choose to declare no attackers and my opponent will kneel his defenders first causing me to waste a challenge but for him to kneel his defenders. That is what I wanted to make sure of.
Oh and thanks for explaining it to me, it is a little confusing to me.
You still will be obligated to declare attackers in order to declare a challenge in this manner. You can't watch the opponent kneel out their characters on defense and then declare no attackers.

That being said, "declare defenders" is inclusive of declaring naval defenders for all purposes, including the effects on this card. The naval enhancement rule says that declaring naval attackers/defenders is to be treated like you are declaring attackers/defenders for card effect purposes.(paraphrasing)
So I can commit to a challenge I wil lose and hopefully kneel enough of my opponents characters that I will win the next few challenges is what the strategy seems to be.
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slothgodfather
Apr 19 2013 01:39 PM
that's correct Windy.
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ZackyMidnight
Jan 31 2014 12:22 AM
Why can't I chose to kneel no attackers?

Why can't I chose to kneel no attackers?

Because Pg 14 of the core rules says so:
"You must declare at least one attacking character to initiate a challenge".

Think of it in terms of If you were not playing with this card. It would not be legal to declare a challenge type, and then not declare any attackers. The same applies for playing with this card, it's just in a funky order.

can I choose to initiate a challenge that I have no icons for? there are lots of ways to add characters/icons later. 

can I choose to initiate a challenge that I have no icons for? there are lots of ways to add characters/icons later. 

 

To initiate a challenge you must declare at least one character as an attacker. If you don't have appropriate icons for a certain challenge, you cannot initiate that challenge.

Challenge icon makes a character eligible for that challenge type.

Interesting. But I'd say no. Imagine a situation that someone cancels your trigger that was supposed to give you the desirable icon after he already declared defenders (I guess this was your idea) - you are left with no attackers whatsoever. So in this case (imho) at the moment of initiating a challenge you must have the actual ability to do so (i.e. at least one character with an appropriate icon).
Edit: Sorry, I was so slow that I didn't see someone already answered.

Dragon Sight does not change the rule that at least one attacking character must be declared in order to initiate a challenge. Further, despite moving the option to declare defenders into the "initiate challenge" process - just before the (requirement) to declare attackers - Dragon Sight does not create an action window inside the 'initiate challenge" process. So there is no opportunity to trigger card effects between declaring defenders and declaring attackers. With no action window between announcing the challenge and declaring the attacker, there is no "later" before you are required to declare an attacker. 

Long story short: If you have no eligible attacker when you announce the challenge type, whether Dragon Sight is active or not, you cannot initiate that type of challenge.