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No Use For Grief



No Use For Grief

No Use For Grief



Type: Event House: Martell
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Game Text:

House Martell only.
Response: After a Sand Snake character is killed, kneel 1 influence to search your deck for 1 Sand Snake character, reveal it, and add it to your hand. (Kneel 3 influence to search for any number of Sand Snake characters and put them into play instead if The Red Viper was just killed.) Then shuffle your deck.
Number: 116 Set: DB
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Skysoul Visual Art Studios
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34 Comments

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slothgodfather
Sep 07 2012 01:36 PM
Well you will have 4 unique sand snakes that are tri-con, stealth, deadly, vengeful and doesn't kneel to attack if you've already lost 1 challenge. Provided you still have A Nest of Vipers (TftH) to use, you could be able to wrap it up.
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jackmerridew
Sep 07 2012 01:45 PM
what if your opponent uses Wildefire Assault instead of Valar?
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slothgodfather
Sep 07 2012 03:01 PM

what if your opponent uses Wildefire Assault instead of Valar?


Then you are stuck with only chosing 3 characters that will live, the rest can't be saved unless you managed to give some of them the Noble crest and played Power of Blood.
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jackmerridew
Sep 07 2012 03:39 PM
yea i know what happenes in play i was posing the question to manutd14 as an example of how fragile the sand snakes were, valar would be a blessing compared to wildfire, with wildfire you would lose all your non uniques because they dont matter as much and have to choose between Nymeria, Tyene, Dorea, and Obella thus killing your tricons or your nonkneeling,
    • slothgodfather likes this
Well, if you expect valar or wildfire or some other reset, you can seach and put in play only unique snakes with dupes, and leave all non-uniques in your deck for later.
    • BSuarez likes this
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MagnusLothar
Oct 22 2014 10:49 AM

I've read all the comments about this card, but as helpful as they are I've still run into trouble with other players about how it's meant to be played.  Here are three scenarios:

 

(i) I have 3 unique sandsnakes in play plus the Red Viper.  He dies for Military claim, I play NUFG kneeling required influence.  I then search my deck, attaching duplicates to said uniques, and also putting into play single copies of remaining uniques and one or two non-uniques from my deck.

(ii) As above, but when I put into play the remaining uniques I also immediately attach their duplicates to them.

(iii) Red Viper is out alone, dies for Military claim, play NUFG, kneel influence, and flood the board with all uniques and all their duplicates, plus one or two non-uniques.

 

Any advice?  This card creates merry hell when other players come up against my sandsnake deck.

"FAQ 4.2: If a copy of a unique character that a player owns and controls would be put into play by a card effect, that copy enters play as a duplicate of that character."

 

So it's actually in the FAQ. In all 3 of your scenarios, extra copies of Sandsnakes already in play (even if the first copy is put into play by the same "put into play" effect) become duplicates on that first copy. 

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MagnusLothar
Oct 22 2014 02:08 PM

So, to clarify.  Scenarios 2 and 3 in particular.  I can put into play if I wish from my deck all unique sandsnakes (attaching all their duplicates) as well as any non-unique sandsnakes, providing there are no copies of uniques in my dead pile, required influence is knelt, and my opponent has no cancel responses...?

Leaving aside the fact that non-unique Sandsnakes are about the dumbest source-material-related thing FFG has done with Martell: Yes.

    • samuellinde, slothgodfather, dericbonbarrion and 2 others like this