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Flame-Kissed



Flame-Kissed

Flame-Kissed



Type: Attachment House: Targaryen
Cost:2
Game Text:
Condition.
House Targaryen only. Ambush.
If attached character has no other attachments, attached character gets -2 STR and is killed if its STR is 0.
Number: 103 Set: Core
Quantity: 1 Illustrator: Felicia Cano
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25 Comments

Flame Kissed is a bread and butter card for burn decks. Sticks to the 2 STR threshold and can't touch characters with other attachments, this fits all of the classic themes and limitations. Solid. Even better when recurred with something like
Lady Daenerys's Chambers (Core).
burrrrnnnnnnnnn!
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nondasmakris
Nov 21 2013 07:39 AM
Here is my question. Lets say I play
Flame-Kissed (Core) as an attachment to an opponent character and in the same phase I play
Forever Burning (Core) to the same character.The character's strenght was 3 before I play. My question is if the character is considered dead after these actions or I should have played first
Forever Burning (Core) and then
Flame-Kissed (Core) in order to kill the character
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slothgodfather
Nov 21 2013 02:59 PM
As long as flame-kissed is attached to the character, at any point that character's STR is reduced to zero they are dead (unless it is caused by Threat from the North (PotS) - this is because this creates a "discard at 0" and a "kill at 0", since both are passives the First Player will decide which takes effect)

Just don't use Flame-kissed before trying to finish them off with The Hatchlings' Feast (ASitD). With that interaction, order does matter
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nondasmakris
Nov 21 2013 05:49 PM
ok thank you.Although my friend (House Stark) who lost an battle this way still thinks that the order matters. Anyway ''Ef Agonizeste".
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slothgodfather
Nov 21 2013 06:24 PM
Just like the -2 STR is constantly applied (not just during the phase you attach it), so is the conditional check of "killed at 0".
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steliosdelis211
Nov 21 2013 06:25 PM
I believe that the ability of the attachment is active when comes in play so the character gets -2 str and if his str goes to 0 then he dies!if not goes to 0 only with this card he doesn't die!The card say "and is killed if his str is 0"!!It doesn't say "and is killed when his str goes to 0"!So the second ability isn't permanent!the character gets -2 permanently but if with this -2 goes to 0 he dies if he don't goes 0 then the effect is lost!so he must play first forever burning and then flame kissed!So the misunderstanding is with the text of the card!I will be with u if the card say "when" so we dont care about the time of 0 but now say 'if" so we care about the time and the effect!please correct me if i am wrong!!!! (sorry i know that perhaps my eanglish are awful)!!!
The grammar on all of these cards are pretty bad to be honest but what the card actually does is exactly what Sloth said. The -2 killed if 0 is a ever lasting effect that is always there. It is by no means only active when you play the card. Its a effect that will be there as long as the attachment is in play. So at any point in time that the character hits 0 str it will be killed. Doesn't matter if its as soon as you play the card or 20 turns down the road.
No stelios. The attachment creates a constant "-2 strength and is killed if its strength is 0" effect on the character. So if at any point the strength reaches 0, the character dies. This death is not a triggered passive. It is an effect is constantly being checked.
why is the order important when playing The Hatchlings' Feast? why is it different from the Forever Burning situation?
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PatrickHaynes
Feb 23 2014 02:16 AM
Because The Hatchling's Feast specifies "on a character with no attachments". So you couldn't choose a character on which Flame-Kissed was attached.

As long as flame-kissed is attached to the character, at any point that character's STR is reduced to zero they are dead (unless it is caused by Threat from the North (PotS) - this is because this creates a "discard at 0" and a "kill at 0", since both are passives the First Player will decide which takes effect)

Just don't use Flame-kissed before trying to finish them off with The Hatchlings' Feast (ASitD). With that interaction, order does matter

Lets say that i played a flame- kissed on an opponents str 3 char that has cannot be killed, and then i play Threath from the North and my opponent is first player. can he say that the kill effect is the one that takes place and the discard one dosn't happen?

No, discard will happen regardless. When two conflicting effects happen simultaneously, such as in your example where the card would be both discarded and killed, the first playe decides which effect happens first. With conflicting moribund states this means that the first is the one to resolve since the second one can't change the card's moribund destination. However, if the character has 'cannot be killed,' then they cannot under any circumstances enter the moribund: dead state. So there is no conflict of moribund destinations and the character becomes moribund: discard.

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slothgodfather
Oct 29 2014 06:52 PM

Correct.  The only reason there is usually a conflict is because both effects are trying to make the character moribund at the same time.  In your scenario, only one of them can effect that character and so it is not conflicting and so it doesn't involve the FP to make any decisions.  

Ok cheers for the reply. I thought it was that way but wasnt sure :)

Could not find an answer to this question anywhere.

Let's assume player A attaches Flame Kissed to a Unique character with strength 1 and two extra "lives", copies of the card under it. 

Since this is an attachment and not an effect, does it mean that what happens is that the "flame kissed" effect would "burn" through all of the characters' lives and kill it?

The attachment stays attached until the attached character leaves play, or if its removed trough an effect. So if you save the attached card with an duplicate, it will still have the attachment and thus die again.

Thanks!

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slothgodfather
Nov 17 2014 06:16 PM

technically speaking, since removing the duplicate won't save the character as an end result, you aren't even allowed to attempt to save.  This is why it's considered a terminal effect.   If the save can't also remove the terminal effect, you can't trigger it.   You are correct that FK would essentially burn through the character, regardless of save potentials.  The only way to save from terminal burn is to save the character from death and either 1) remove the attachment at the exact same time or 2) increase their STR.  Risen from the Sea is a good example of an acceptable save from burn effects.  

He Calls It Burning
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slothgodfather
Nov 19 2014 03:00 PM

Since Flame-kissed isn't a response ability, it is unlikely that Thinking will get you out of this.

Maybe 2deep meant He Calls it Thinking to block a Risen from the Sea?

Neither. I remember I once played a friend running Targ Burn. I had the Viper and the Viper alone in what was turning into a drawn out slog fest. Attacked with Viper who already had FK attached. Opponent triggers Meereen Tourney Grounds. He Calls it Burning. Attach to Viper, +2 STR with an attachment. Neutralise Flame Kissed. Feels good.

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Hi folks,

Could you please clarify, if attached character still has -2 STR, even if he has not only "Flame-Kissed" attachment, but one more?

When Flame-Kissed says, "If attached character has no other attachments...," it is indicating a second attachment of any type -- even another copy of Flame-Kissed -- will "turn off" Flame-Kissed's effect.

 

Or, said another way, if there is more than 1 attachment total on the character, Flame-Kissed does nothing.