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Rule by Decree

Submitted Darksbane , Aug 17 2010 03:24 AM | Last updated Mar 01 2011 08:34 PM

Rule by Decree Type: Plot House: Neutral Income:4 Initiative: 4 Claim: 1 Game Text: Cannot be cancelled. When revealed, the player with the most cards in hand chooses and discards cards from his hand until he has 4 cards in hand. Number: 206 Set: Core Quantity: 1 Illustrator: Mark Evans
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24 Comments

zordren

Apr 21 2011 10:08 PM

I'm a big fan of this card, since I'm not really good at making a "draw engine", and my son usually plays Lanni! Good gold, good initiative, no drawback for me, and can really screw an opponent!

manutd14

Jul 05 2012 03:05 PM

What about if 2 players have the same number of cards in hand?

Reager

Jul 05 2012 03:17 PM

nothing happens

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Prophit618

Dec 02 2012 07:41 PM

What happens if this card goes up against something like City of Lies. The player with Lies wins initiative and choose to do his plot first. Is the person who discards determined before those two cards are dropped from his hand, or after?

JCWamma

Dec 02 2012 08:53 PM

After. This can go the other way as well, for example making it so A Time for Ravens (ACoS) has to happen first.

manutd14

Dec 03 2012 06:32 AM

Let's say that player A has 7 cards in hand and reveals Rule by Decree (Core), Player B has 8 cards and also reveals Rule by Decree (Core). What happens? Both players discard?

JCWamma

Dec 03 2012 11:42 AM

Yes, both discard - one triggers and the person with 8 discards down to 4, then the next one triggers and the player with 7 cards then has to discard down to 4. (Assuming here that this is a Joust and there's no other player with 7 or 8 (or more!) cards)

Ire

Dec 03 2012 12:30 PM

~I kinda hoped that Helmut would have answered to these questions

JCWamma

Dec 03 2012 12:45 PM

Us regular joes are allowed to know things too, aren't we?

WWDrakey

Dec 03 2012 02:46 PM

Ire's probably referring to what was discussed here.

(They had a casual match at Stahleck, where Ratatoskr Rule by Decree (Core)'d straight into Ire's City of Lies (CoS))

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JCWamma

Dec 03 2012 03:45 PM

Ahh, that makes more sense now!

Dia

Dec 12 2012 05:29 AM

When do bay of ice and golden tooth mines trigger in relation to this? Before or after the discard?

krathrax

Dec 12 2012 08:29 AM

Bay of ice would tirgger, then rule by decree, the golden tooth mines. I believe is the order. Don;t quote me on that . no posotive.

Laxen

Dec 12 2012 11:20 AM

Whichever triggers first of Rule by Decree and Golden Tooth mines should be decided by the first player since they are happening simultaneously.

Since the order of the 'when revealed' effects is determined by the first player, initiative is determined before triggering the 'when revealed' effects, the the Bay of Ices would therefore trigger when this is done; before the 'when revealed' plot effects.

(Edit: Faulty information)

WWDrakey

Dec 12 2012 11:45 AM

No. All passives (no matter what they have been triggered by) only happen after all of the When Revealed passives have resolved. And those only happen after all of the framework events have first resolved. So both Bay of Ice and Golden Tooth Mines happen after Rule By Decree.

See here for the detailed timing structure: http://www.cardgamed...d-regulars-r198

JCWamma

Dec 12 2012 11:48 AM

The order is as follows:

- Plot Cards Revealed
- Initiative/First Player Determined (and if someone has Ahead of the Tide (WotN) they'd play it here)
- All "When Revealed" effects are resolved, in the order chosen by the first player (so Rule by Decree happens here)
- All passive effects are resolved (so Bay of Ice and Golden Tooth Mines)
- All response effects (Drowned Fanatic (WotN), for instance) are resolved

More specific details can be found here.

Laxen

Dec 12 2012 02:39 PM

K, my bad - thanks for clarifying. Wasn't aware of these special circumstances, I was just drawing logical solutions.. which too often is wrong

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Dia

Dec 13 2012 08:55 PM

Lol yeah. For instance we are always taught passives then responses but in this case Ahead of the tide would happen before bay of ice off of the same trigger (initiative being calculated)

Dia

Dec 13 2012 08:55 PM

But thanks for the info everyone

ShadowcatX2000

Dec 13 2012 09:15 PM

Lol yeah. For instance we are always taught passives then responses but in this case Ahead of the tide would happen before bay of ice off of the same trigger (initiative being calculated)

The kicker here is that Ahead of the Tide (despite having the word "Response" in bold text) isn't really a Response, it is a cancel. Cancels come before passives, passives come before responses.

slothgodfather

Dec 13 2012 09:33 PM

Well to be fair, all cancels (and saves) are responses but they are the only type of response that is not triggered within the Responses step (Step 5). Instead they are triggered during Step 2 (Saves/Cancels). For the newer players, you will know if a card ability is a save or cancel because it will have one of those words within the card ability. If it doesn't, then it is a standard response to be used during Step 5.

Dia

Dec 13 2012 11:44 PM

The kicker here is that Ahead of the Tide (despite having the word "Response" in bold text) isn't really a Response, it is a cancel. Cancels come before passives, passives come before responses.

Ah true indeed. Sorry forgot that, still new to the game.