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The Iron Throne
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Darksbane
, Jan 06 2012 05:10 AM | Last updated Jan 09 2012 04:27 PM
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The Iron Throne
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You are mistaken. This can not cancel them for the reason I mentioned earlier in this very thread. (Just 2 posts above yours in fact.)
It is worth mentioning that some other cards can in fact cancel the jumper coming into play. Like "he calls it thinking" canceling Khal Drogo. Unfortunately, what happens is that after the cancel takes effect the jumper returns to the player's hand and can immediately be jumped in again because Game of Thrones has no card memory.
It has to more to do with the fact that it is not character ability, but a triggered effect since it comes from out of play zone. You can cancel it with any old trigger cancel or response cancel, but not with character ability cancel. Also it is very useless as said before, if you cancel it then it will go back to hand, lose all memory that it was triggered and can be triggered again.
A slight clarification here, Step 3 is the resolution of the action.
(3.6) Triggered Effects
Any effect that a player chooses to execute is
considered a "triggered effect." Thus any effect
that begins with a "Phase:" or "Response:"
is a triggered effect. Also note that playing
an event card is thus considered a triggered
effect. A "triggered ability" is a triggered effect
printed on a card already in play.
Regardless of where the card effect originates, it is considered a triggered effect. However, as noted above in the FAQ, it is only considered a "triggered ability" when the card is already in play. So it is only considered a "character ability" when they are already in play. Otherwise they are just a "triggered effect" or "character effect". Since the Iron Throne cancels "character abilities" they can only cancel an ability that was triggered on a character already in play.
Thank you, slothgodfather! THAT was helpfull...
(I still don't understand why in the seven hells FFG would treat differently character Abilities X Effects... I mean, come on! As if this game wasn't complex enough..)
Does this include things like Stealth and Deadly?
Does the definition above mean I can cancel an event card?
With regards to how things are defined and what can cancel them, here is a quick breakdown of your question:
Stealth and Deadly are not character abilities, they are keywords and card effects.
Event cards are not character abilities, they are events, triggered effects and card effects
Passive abilities on a character, such as Ser Jorah Mormont (WLL) ability to discard a Merc/Ally, is a card effect and a character ability, but it is NOT a triggered effect.
Triggered abilities on a character, such as Cersei Lannister (LotR) ability to claim a power and gain a keyword, is a card effect and a character ability, and it IS a triggered effect
The Iron throne says that it can cancel a character ability "just triggered" so that means you can only cancel character abilities that have just used an ability with bold text in front of it, like The Bastard of Godsgrace (EB)
Thanks