Situation came up in a OCTGN match today:  can you "stand and remove" a character that doesn't kneel to attack?  I'm guessing yes, since there is no "then" for Highgarden. Anybody else have this?

I think you are right based on the word "and" being used instead of the word "then".

Sure, you can

Let's say I have 1 attacker and they have 1 defender. I use highgarden to remove my attacker from the challenge. Is the challenge negated or has my opponent just won an unopposed challenge as the defender?

A challenge is only considered unopposed if the *defending player* has 0 STR or no characters particpating, not the attacker. In other words, a defender never gets an unopposed bonus power.

The challenge also doesn't magically end just because there are no attackers (or even no remaining characters, like in first edition), so yes, in this scenario your opponent would win the challenge as the defender - but you'd have that attacker free for the next challenge. It's an interesting "feint" move to draw in defenders that his card is capable of supporting.

Is it not similar to For The Watch plot, state?. So neither attacker wins nor defender looses?

Let's say there was one attacker and before there were any defenders Highgarden was used. 

Tommorow I will have me CSes and I will check that.

EDIT: Yup. 4,2,2 precises that.

Is it not similar to For The Watch plot, state?. So neither attacker wins nor defender looses?

Let's say there was one attacker and before there were any defenders Highgarden was used. 

 

Tommorow I will have me CSes and I will check that.

 

EDIT: Yup. 4,2,2 precises that.

Correct, if there is no STR on either side of the challenge, neither player meets the criteria for winning, therefore neither of them loses. 

However, the player was asking initially about if there were still a defender, in which case the defender (assuming his STR were >0) would win the challenge, and the attacker would lose, despite having no participating characters any more.

I had a situation come up in a game today where I played Highgarden, and removed Dornish Paramour form the challenge. Her reaction had already been triggered, "Reaction: After Dornish Paramour is declared as an attacker, choose a character controlled by the defending player. That character must be declared as a defender for this challenge, if able." She was removed from the challenge, but we left her reaction in effect, as it preceded the play of Highgarden. Is that correct? I'm still dialing in the nuances of timing and card interactions, and would appreciate any feedback.

Yes, that is correct.

Note that Dornish Paramour will always trigger before Highgarden can because the Dornish Paramour has a Reaction to being declared as an attacker, whereas Highgarden is a Challenges Action.

Awesome! Thanks again, chem2702, much appreciated!

In melee, can I kneel Highgarden to remove an attacker from a challenge declared against another opponent? Nothing seems to prohibit it, and that typically means you can. But being a new player, I'd like to get a second opinion on that.

Yes, it is phrased to work that way too.

Hi there , 
if I declared a character as an attacker and that character has "stealth" keyword , 
and then i used it on an opponent character

and then the opponent used Highgarden on my character  ,

would the "stealth" affecting his character still be in challenge or not ?

Thanks

Hi there , 
if I declared a character as an attacker and that character has "stealth" keyword , 
and then i used it on an opponent character

and then the opponent used Highgarden on my character  ,

would the "stealth" affecting his character still be in challenge or not ?

Thanks

Yes, the stealth still applies. Stealth is applied before declaring defenders, meaning the stealthed character is unable to be declared as a defender. Using Highgarden to then send home the attacking stealther once the challenge has been declared does not retroactively allow you to go back a step. You would have to find a way to bring the stealthed character into the fight by some other means (kennel master/ direwolf, etc.)

Highgarden is a challenge action, which means it's window to work happens after attackers and defenders have been declared.

I think that Stealth is a bad word for what this keyword does, thematically. It's rather something like Distraction: when a character with stealth attacks, he distracts or disables one of the potential defenders, renders them unable to oppose.

Highgarden is a challenge action, which means it's window to work happens after attackers and defenders have been declared.

Note that there is a space to use Challenge Actions between declaring attackers/stealth and declaring defenders.

I think that Stealth is a bad word for what this keyword does, thematically. It's rather something like Distraction: when a character with stealth attacks, he distracts or disables one of the potential defenders, renders them unable to oppose.

you sneakily tiptoe past that opponent. better?

you sneakily tiptoe past that opponent. better?

it doesn't quite explain why your other five dudes got past him

Note that there is a space to use Challenge Actions between declaring attackers/stealth and declaring defenders.

This is true, but there is no window between declaring attackers and stealth; you cannot stand and send home a stealth attacker after he declares but before he stealths, and highgarden does not "turn off" stealth even if the attacker goes home.

Lets say There is one attacker and one defender in a challenge. The defender uses Highgarden's effect to stand and remove the attacking character.

I'm wondering if the challenge the attacker issued is spent or not.

Lets say There is one attacker and one defender in a challenge. The defender uses Highgarden's effect to stand and remove the attacking character.

 

I'm wondering if the challenge the attacker issued is spent or not.

You can still declare challenge actions, reactions (edit:perhaps not as likely due to no opposing character to target in many circumstances. But you can trigger your own Lady Sansa's Rose for example.), and initiate keywords. The challenge does not just fizzle out due to the attacker being withdrawn. Still perform the D.U.C.K. steps.

I suppose a more specific question would be that if you declared a military challenge with one character and they were stood and removed from the challenge due to Highgarden-- Could you initiate another military challenge since the only character used in the military challenge was taken out?

Also Krupp, what are the D.U.C.K. steps?

Lets say There is one attacker and one defender in a challenge. The defender uses Highgarden's effect to stand and remove the attacking character.

 

I'm wondering if the challenge the attacker issued is spent or not.

They have/had initiated the challenge; it counts against whatever the current limits are (customarily 1 of each type). Just because it was impaired doesn't undo the challenge.

You can also win on defense (against 0 STR) and do whatever triggers you like (or they can cheat someone into the challenge in some future fashion) after this is used, as KruppSteel noted.

I suppose a more specific question would be that if you declared a military challenge with one character and they were stood and removed from the challenge due to Highgarden-- Could you initiate another military challenge since the only character used in the military challenge was taken out?

 

Also Krupp, what are the D.U.C.K. steps?

Declare winner of challenge, and reactions to winning/losing challenge.

Unnoposed power gained if there was any.

Claim is applied.

Keywords are applied (the trigger of keywords is optional however), such as Renown, Insight, etc..