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Stalwart Ogryn
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Darksbane
, Aug 12 2014 03:08 AM | Last updated Aug 12 2014 03:08 AM
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Stalwart OgrynType: Army Unit Faction: Astra Militarum Cost: 2 Attack Value: 2 Hit Points: 2 Command Icons: 1 Signature/Loyalty: Traits: Warrior.Abhuman. Immune to enemy events. As tough as a grox and just as smart. Set: Core Set Number: 41 Quantity: 1 Illustrator: Ameen Naksewee |
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26 Comments
Two resource for a C/2/2 unit is already solid. The immunity to enemy events is just gravy. It makes him a prime target for any sort of attachment as he can't be targeted by a lot of the stuff that can insta-pop big or overly-buffed units.
Very good card. Has given me some games against dark eldar.
Not to mention he's also a warrior, getting the atk bonus from Straken. Synergizes with the Elysian Assault Team as well.
Very decent 2 drop with a good ability. 3/5.
Most reliable unit ever. Immune Exterminatus, Doom, Archon's Terror, etc 5/5 solid.
I didn't even think of that Doom immunity. Glad no one in my meta's playing AM against my Eldar deck.
Add Crushing Blow and Suppressive Fire to that list, for sure. Oh and Deception, Doombolt, Noble deed, Searing Brand, Warpstorm, Tzeentch's Firestorm, Fetid Haze, Nurgling Bomb... have I missed anything there?
This is one of those weird cards that started off as "not bad" but which has rapidly become one of the best small units in the game. The more the game shifts towards tricks and surprise plays, the better immunity to enemy events becomes.
I have my doubts if the Ogryn would be inmune to Fetid Haze, since the card affects the opponent and not the units unlike an Exterminatus or Doom.
Maybe the opponet wants to deal the Ogryn a wound to keep other Unit alive. Could it be possible?
I'm pretty sure the Ogryn's owner is assigning the damage so it's vulnerable to Fetid Haze.
The source of the damage is still the card, so the Ogryn is immune.
The Ogryn isn't just immune to being targetted by enemy events or to choices the enemy makes on enemy events. He's immune to enemy events in their totality, which means any effect coming directly from enemy event cards.
Is there a clear ruling on this? I just know that other FFG LCGs have clarified that a card can cause an effect that the other player must do and it ceases to be a card effect once the other player starts doing it. So in this case (if the interpret it that way) it means that the event causes the opponent to "deal" indirect damage. The card effect is giving your opponent a hand of damage he must deal, and then it ceases to be an event. The Ogryn's player is dealing damage, not the event.
This is just my interpretation based on other games, so it may be totally wrong.
Don't confuse the player's choice of where the damage is assigned with the player being the source of the damage. It is still the event, not the player, that is the source of the damage -- which means the Ogryn cannot be affected by it. Most other situations I have seen in FFG LCGs have followed the same pattern; a player's choice of target or resolution option does not mean the player "causes" the resolution. Things that "cease to be card effects" tend to be delayed effects.
Just to be clear, the Ogryn is immune to fetid haze in its entirety, yes? So the unit is essentially non-existent during the event resolution, instead of "okay I assign all the damage to my ogryn but he's immune so lololololololol"? This is how I read it but I want to be sure. It also means in a few corner cases the event immunity could be a headache for the ogryn's player.
Still a nice card overall. Great target to catachan power up since they're so hard to get rid of with an action.
Not really, as it says "enemy events".
Right out of the RRG If a unit is immune to a specified set of effects, it cannot be targeted or affected by effects that belong to that set. meaning that whatever the event does no matter what...immune
I know Orks have access to this card, but damn! If only we had our own Ork unit like this Ogryn to get protection from KFG, use of Tellyporta and gain bonus from Battle Cry...
I meant in the case of fetid haze (and potentially other similar events), as the controlling player of the ogryn you might want to target the ogryn but not be able to. Example: fetid haze when you have warlord and a couple of ogryn's, since you can't use them as cushions your warlord is taking all the damage. Or that dark eldar forced sacrifice card that nobody uses because it's not very good generally.
Oh, ok. Still Fetid Haze and Power from Pain cannot affect your warlord in some way. I think up until this point there aren't many cards that may turn Ogryn's advantage at a disadvantage.
As Draconav says, Fetid Haze deals its indirect damage only to army units you control.
It could still conceivably prove a disadvantage, of course. Say you have 2 Shoota Mobs and 2 Ogryns present, and the Haze splashes 2 damage at you. If it weren't for the immunity, all 4 units could survive.
I'd agree with Draconav though, that there are far fewer situations where immunity proves a problem than where it provides valued protection.
I always find these guys not making the cut in my AM decks. If I played Honorifica, then I would definitely include them, but as is, there are so many good 1 and 2 costers regardless of which side you ally with. I even ended up cutting Snakebite Thugs out of my Coteaz deck, though I still feel like that was the wrong decision...