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Dragon Bite

Submitted Darksbane , Aug 18 2010 05:34 PM | Last updated Mar 01 2011 06:33 PM

Dragon Bite

Type: Attachment House: Targaryen
Cost:0
Game Text:
Condition.
Attached character is killed any time it is participating in a challenge in which a Dragon character is participating.
Flavor Text: Bones they were, broken and blackened. The longer ones had been cracked open for their marrow.
Number: 38 Set: AE
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Rafal Hrynkiewicz

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26 Comments

Feelwell

Apr 25 2012 01:36 PM

Is there any reason to take Dragon Fear over Dragon Bite? (apart from the better artwork;)

Darksbane

Apr 25 2012 01:58 PM

Well Dragon Bite can be easily avoided by just being careful to not challenge with the risk of a dragon. Dragon Fear (QoD) is much harder to avoid as all that needs to happen is someone win a military challenge against the Feared characters controller. Sure they can save against it (which they typically can't against Bite), but you are much more likely to eventually be able to kill the character if that is your goal.

Darksbane

Apr 25 2012 02:01 PM

Oh and fun combo, play both of these in a Maester deck with Copper Link (GotC) and Pale Steel Link (FtC)

jackmerridew

Apr 25 2012 05:54 PM

in a melee game i find that Dragon Fear is much more useful just because it makes it harder for your opponent to keep his Heavies on the board, being able to attach it to Euron, Fat Robert, Blackfish, or Red Viper really neuters your opponents options.

doulos2k

May 24 2012 06:39 PM

At what point does this card's effect hit? Since it just says "participating" - does that mean the moment they kneel the card (if a Dragon traited character is already participating) the attached character dies before the challenge resolves? What about when you Ambush a Dragon into play to participate in a challenge?

Staton

May 24 2012 07:22 PM

Yeah the character would die immediately. So if they attack, and then you ambush in a dragon and defend, the character immediately dies before the challenge resolves.

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doulos2k

May 24 2012 07:25 PM

And does this also count as a Terminal effect because of the participation condition?

Staton

May 24 2012 07:41 PM

Yep. So you couldn't save the character unless the save would remove it from the challenge or play somehow.

slothgodfather

May 24 2012 07:41 PM

Sadly, yes. To save from it you would either have to save them & remove them from the challenge at the same time, or save them and remove the attachment at the same time, or save them and remove the dragon from the challenge at the same time. Not sure what card would give you this ability.

Staton

May 24 2012 07:58 PM

something like Unburnt (QoD)

doulos2k

May 24 2012 08:00 PM

Right - because Unburnt performs both actions, removes it from the challenge as well as saving it from death. Makes sense - thanks!

Enrico

Oct 27 2012 06:40 PM

This + Hall of Dragons (AHM) = WIN!

MiSiO

Jul 24 2013 07:42 PM

Does it means that a character with a dupe is killed when in a challenge with a dragon and the dupe can not save him?

doulos2k

Jul 24 2013 07:48 PM

No. They can still discard a dupe; however, the attachment remains attached. So, the character is still operating with the threat of impending death.

slothgodfather

Jul 24 2013 08:02 PM

@Doulos, since the character is still considered participating in a challenge with a Dragon, doesn't this just create a terminal effect - since even saving the character once doesn't remove the effect that is killing him? Making it to where you can't even bother saving him with a dupe.

doulos2k

Jul 24 2013 08:05 PM

Weird - I hit post and it went away. Trying again...

Oh duh! I was confusing this card with Dragon Fear (QoD). Yes, the effect is terminal. The character would have to both be saved AND removed from the challenge at the same time. As far as I know there isn't a card that does that.

OKTarg

Jul 24 2013 08:10 PM

No. They can still discard a dupe; however, the attachment remains attached. So, the character is still operating with the threat of impending death.

Either this isn't right or I'm reading it wrong.

SInce the kill effect is constantly happening as long as the character is participating in a challenge with a dragon, any save would need to either remove this character or the dragon from the challenge, this character or the dragon from play, or the attachment from the character as well as 'saving' the character. In addition, if you can't succesfully save the character, you cannot even attempt to save them. Therefore you cannot discard a dupe to this effect.

Unburnt would work, as would Core set Viserys Targaryen, but I think those are the only two I can think of right now.

MiSiO

Jul 24 2013 08:25 PM

Terminal effect. Great. Time to try it in practice. Nice combo with Dragon Egg (AHM) or Pale Steel Link (FtC)

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LordOWar

Jul 24 2013 09:04 PM

Either this isn't right or I'm reading it wrong.

SInce the kill effect is constantly happening as long as the character is participating in a challenge with a dragon, any save would need to either remove this character or the dragon from the challenge, this character or the dragon from play, or the attachment from the character as well as 'saving' the character. In addition, if you can't succesfully save the character, you cannot even attempt to save them. Therefore you cannot discard a dupe to this effect.

Unburnt would work, as would Core set Viserys Targaryen, but I think those are the only two I can think of right now.

If you can't discard a duplicate to save the character, then does the character and all of its dupes end up in the dead pile?

doulos2k

Jul 24 2013 09:08 PM

The character ends up in the dead pile and the dupes go to the discard pile. This is because dupes have no traits, titles, or text. So, they just get discarded when the character they're attached to leaves play for any reason.

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Kahiron

Dec 10 2013 06:59 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm quite new to the game, but I see nothing that stops a non-targaryan player from splashing this (paying the out of house penalty), for the sake of attaching it to a targaryan player's dragons. Am I missing something fundamental, or would that mean attached dragon is killed immediately if participating in a challenge...

Golladan

Dec 10 2013 10:01 PM

Dragons have No Attachments.

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Zeiler

Dec 10 2013 11:26 PM

Not if they were blanked by Fortified Position (LoW)

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slothgodfather

Dec 11 2013 03:41 AM

@Kahrion - you are correct that "if" that attachment was on a character with the dragon trait then they would immediately die when they participated in a challenge. Also note that you cannot save from this effect unless it either removes the attachment at the exact same time or has them leave play another way - such as an ability like "save and return to hand".

VisionCollector

Jun 18 2014 10:51 AM

If this is attached to one of my Stark characters and I defend with him and with Deepwood Mercenary and decide to remove DB with DM's response, what happens to attached character - is it killed or not?

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