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Battle for the Shield Islands

Submitted Darksbane , Mar 03 2013 08:08 PM | Last updated Jun 21 2014 05:51 AM

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Battle for the Shield Islands

Type: Event House: Neutral
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Game Text:
Epic Battle.
Plot: After the dominance phase this round, there is an epic phase during which each player may initiate a single challenge of his choice. Characters with 1 or more [Naval] enhancements may be declared as attackers or defenders while kneeling. Instead of the normal claim, the winner of each challenge may choose and take control of a location controlled by the loosing opponent. (Place this card next to your plot deck until the end of this epic phase.)
Number: 39 Set: TGF
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Tomasz Jedruszek

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25 Comments

Grimwalker

Mar 05 2013 02:42 PM

I'll just leave this here:
http://www.fantasyfl...=4&efidt=791377

emptyrepublic

Mar 05 2013 03:46 PM

So any naval enhanced character can participate in any challenge during this epic phase.

Please tell me I'm parsing that wrong. Please. The worst that will happen with this is that locations get passed around like a hot potato since I don't think there's a way to bypass the claim replacement.

ShadowcatX2000

Mar 05 2013 04:23 PM

You're wrong. KTOM specifically states (in Grimwalker's link) that a character has to have the appropriate icon to participate, even if they are naval.

Grimwalker

Mar 05 2013 04:49 PM

Don't get me wrong, I expect there to be a tug-of-war over that House of Dreams location where one side snatches it and the other yanks it back.

emptyrepublic

Mar 05 2013 04:58 PM

Yeah, see I need to learn to scroll apparently. :rolleyes:

Totally missed the last line where he explicitly stated that the character needed the icon.

asmoothcriminal

Mar 05 2013 05:01 PM

So if you played red vengeance, would you take control of their location?

emptyrepublic

Mar 05 2013 05:04 PM

Ugh, this is where things get weird. Probably not (unless I'm missing something again) because you are canceling the original claim and redirecting it based on the challenge type. I assume this will work the same way as Red Vengeance with Pyat Pree (QoD).

slothgodfather

Mar 05 2013 05:47 PM

The question would stem more from, when does the replacement effect take place. At first glance it looks like a passive, but since passives don't happen until step 4 (which would be after claim resolves) that doesn't make sense. Instead it seems to be a constant. This means it is in effect as soon as it's condition is met, regardless of timing. So Step 1 is initiate claim. By this point, claim is already replaced to taking control of a location. Red Vengeance is played during step 2 to cancel claim and make another play pay the claim. I actually see this as similar to using RV on a power challenge. So the attacker would still pick a location and then gain control of it. In a joust game, this has no effect. In a melee game, you could pick another player to pay the claim and the attacker would get one of locations.

At least, that's my take on it.

agktmte

Mar 05 2013 08:33 PM

I would go with that interpretation as well.

Zatoichi

Mar 06 2013 08:40 PM

this is making its way into my bara black sails deck, but i cant decide if i should run it with other epics to further justify running Claw Isle (EB)

Jovan

May 25 2013 08:07 AM

So you can take control of House of Dreams locations as it is part of the claim and not targeting the location itself?

Ire

May 25 2013 08:36 AM

yes

Fede

May 25 2013 04:52 PM

yes

Wait, you can? I hadn't thought of it that way. Interesting...

cockbongo

Jun 04 2013 03:13 PM

Can you declare a character with a naval enhancement as a *naval* attacker or defender while they're kneeling? Or would they have to still be standing when you got to the epic phase?

celric

Jun 29 2013 09:37 AM

FYI, the replacement effect is not optional. You cannot choose between regular claim and take-a-location claim. If you win as the attacker you may take a location or you may decline to take a location.

Here's the FFG forum thread with ktom: http://www.fantasyfl...&efpag=0#798642

theCrow

Jun 29 2013 02:44 PM

Well, obviously it's not. Same goes to Hugor Hill (VM). And it really hurts in his case.

Dorian

Sep 04 2013 09:57 PM

cockbongo Â¨Can you declare a character with a naval enhancement as a *naval* attacker or defender while they're kneeling? Or would they have to still be standing when you got to the epic phase?Â¨

I have the same doubt @_@

JCWamma

Sep 04 2013 10:12 PM

They'd have to be standing. The mechanism for declaring a character as a naval attacker/defender is specifically defined as kneeling the character to enter them. This event doesn't specify Naval attackers/defenders, so it doesn't work.

cockbongo

Sep 04 2013 10:26 PM

Yeah, i found that out a while back to my dismay. Should have come back here and told everyone. I feel bad, Dorian.

Normak

Oct 30 2013 05:07 PM

So last night a friend and I were jousting and I played this during the plot phase. During challenges my buddy's Rhaegar Targaryen (BoRF) died, and he ended the round, but we were a little unsure on how to handle this card. We decided that Battle for the Shield Islands (TGF) only created the effect during the round it was played but couldn't be discarded because it is only discarded at the end of the epic battle phase. So it sat next to my plot deck for the rest of the game doing nothing. Was that the correct way to handle this?

slothgodfather

Oct 30 2013 06:21 PM

Yes I believe so.

DoctorJay

Dec 29 2013 03:18 AM

I can't understand how this event cab take over a hod location.can someone explain to me please.?

Omek

Dec 29 2013 08:37 AM

This card can creates a claim "replacement effect" (see 3.23 in the FAQ). Replacement effects are considered passive effects that alter the framework of the game. Even though the HoD card is immune to opponent's non-plot card effects, BftSI is not a card effect that is stealing the location, it is altering a framework event (claim). The card effect was to change the claim. The claim then steals the card, thus it is legal. It's kind of a lame loophole, but them's the rules.

LaurenF

Apr 27 2014 02:11 PM

There is a misspelling on this card. "loosing" should be "losing".

I always thought epic battles counted as plot effects because "Plot:" Omek's explanation makes a lot more sense.

StrongBelwas

Feb 20 2015 01:00 AM

Well, obviously it's not. Same goes to Hugor Hill (VM). And it really hurts in his case.

Why would you say "obviously"?

It does say " Instead of the normal claim, the winner of each challenge may " in the text (which it doesnt say on Hugor Hill btw), and "may" always sounds like "= optional" to me. Unfortunately the links to the explanations dont work anymore.

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