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Ward
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Darksbane
, May 10 2012 03:48 PM | Last updated May 14 2012 05:15 AM
WardType: Event House: Stark Targaryen Cost: Game Text: House Stark or House Targaryen only. Response: After you win a military challenge, choose a character of STR 2 or less controlled by the losing player. Attach Ward to the chosen character as a Condition attachment with the text: "Take control of attached character. If the owner of attached character wins an Intrigue or Power challenge against you, discard Ward." Number: 3 Set: VM Quantity: 3 Illustrator: |
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(3.26) Duration of Control Change
Unless otherwise stated (for example, with a
specified duration), the change of control is
permanent until the card that switched sides
leaves play or control of the card switches
again via a card effect.
Note that attachments that grant control effects
end when the attachment granting control
leaves play.
1. Use Reek's ability to swap him for an opposing character.
2. Use Ward to take Reek back.
3. Reek is now under your control and Ward is attached indefinitely because you can't win an Intrigue or Power challenge against yourself.
4. Use Reek's ability to swap him again for another character.
5. Win an Intrigue or Power challenge against that opponent and discard Ward and take Reek back.
So you net 2 opposing characters and Reek under your control in 2 turns, is this right?
I do believe, however, that if Ward was removed due to attachment hate, then Reek would indeed go back to your oppenents control since they controlled him before Ward was placed on him.
also Sloth is right, if you played ward on reek while he was controlled by someone else then it gets removed reek would go back to them as they controlled him at the time
Following your triggering of Roose Bolton, you lose Ward to an attachment discard effect. Roose Bolton enforces the "all owners take control of each card they currently have in play" previously, but does that release any lingering previous control effects prior to Ward? Or does it ignore them? Just seems like a strange scenario and possibly annoying to keep track of.
Then someone discards the Ward attachment. The question is: Does Reek still return to the opponent as there is no longer the attachment giving you control of him, or does Roose's ability change that?
I would say yes. When Roose is triggered, even though you control Reek atm it is through a card effect. His ignores all other card effects and says control goes to the card owner. As the card owner, you know have 2 claims to Reek. When the attachment leaves, you are still the controller of Reek.
At least, that is my take.
a) Enemy takes control of Warded character
b ) I retain control of Warded character
c) Enemy takes control of the character, then I immidietly take it back.
My opinion its either b ) or c) but I'm not sure which one. Probably c) though. The question is - what takes precedence - one time ability like Rooses response above, or passive ability like the one on Ward?
What happenes if I take control of a character with Ward (VM), and then the enemy retakes it with a Ward (VM) of their own?
Then what happenes if I win a Int or Pow challenge against him and discard their Ward? Where does the character go? By the FAQ, the control effects of a discarded attachment should break. So, does that character then go to his owner, or to his last controller? And why? I never saw any rule that stated that a character must go to the player who was in control of it last.
Say you take your opponent's character with Reek, then they play Ward on the character you took. Then you discard their attachment. Since you were the last previous controller of the card, you would gain control of the character. This falls within the rules of the card granting control leaving play. Other cards like Seductive Promises and Roose grant control until control is changed again by a new effect.
I don't understand how this addresses the original question. Can you explain how this says that the character returns to the original owner (in play) instead of going to the discard pile?
Another question: if a character is knelt before ward is used, does it remain knelt or does it stand after switching control?
A knelt card will remain knelt when it changes control unless another effect allows you to stand it. Likewise, a standing card will remain so.
Power stays on/associated with the character, regardless of who controls it. Power on a character counts towards its controller's victory total, regardless of who owns it.