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A Song of Ice

Submitted Darksbane , Jul 05 2013 06:02 AM | Last updated Sep 27 2013 03:18 AM

A Song of Ice Type: Agenda House: Neutral Game Text: *Seasons.* If no opponent is running a Seasons agenda, it cannot be Summer. If it is Winter, each player must choose and discard down to 4 cards in hand at the end of the dominance phase. Number: 40 Set: FaI Quantity: 3 Illustrator:
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24 Comments

clique84

Jul 16 2013 01:27 PM

So, if I am reading this right, when your opponent is playing this and you are not running a seasons agenda it cannot be Summer. But nothing would prevent me from playing a Black Raven to bump my opponent's White Raven, right?

kizerman86

Jul 16 2013 02:04 PM

Correct, same for carrion birds to toss their ravens.

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Golladan

Aug 08 2013 09:26 PM

This and A Song of Fire are currently the only Seasons agendas, right?

slothgodfather

Aug 08 2013 10:24 PM

With the trait "Seasons". Yes.

Gregszter

Sep 04 2013 05:04 PM

But how can this card prevent winter, from a White Raven, which has the "Immune to non-Raven cards." in its text box. So A Song of Ice as an agenda card is above Ravens immunities?? I'm possibly wrong but not sure about it. Any ideas?!

slothgodfather

Sep 04 2013 05:59 PM

First, this card does not prevent Winter, it prevents Summer. But to answer the basis of your question: This agenda is in place before you play any cards, creating a permanent/lasting effect on the game - regardless of what you or your opponent does, if they are not running a seasons agenda, then it cannot be summer.

JCWamma

Sep 04 2013 06:10 PM

Basically, this text doesn't target the raven - it doesn't say, for instance, "cards that could change the season to summer do not count their effects". Instead, it targets the concept of there being a season. In Game of Thrones, "cannot" trumps just about every word.

Also immunities only extend to cards themselves and not to effects emanating from them. Same way you can cancel a House of Dreams location's effect.

Gregszter

Sep 04 2013 06:52 PM

Yes, my mistake, but its still the same, I cant imagine how an agenda card can overwrite a cards immunity! Is like the rules opposes each other or something like that. Its just me who finds this strange?

JCWamma

Sep 04 2013 07:10 PM

If it was targetting the Raven itself, it would be weird. But it isn't, you can still have a Black Raven in play when this agenda is out. The only thing being targetted is the Summer state.

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Gregszter

Sep 04 2013 07:42 PM

Good point JC, you're right about that. Thanks for the enlightenment!

cockbongo

Sep 04 2013 09:34 PM

Curious - the Ravens' effects of players counting one more or less gold during marshalling would still happen, since that isn't actually conditional on it being Summer or Winter, just that the Raven card is in play. Very interesting for choke decks that don't necessarily depend on Winter.

clarky101

Sep 20 2013 12:06 PM

please someone make a deck that is stark and targ, Crown of Meereen (QoD) and Crown of Winter (LoW)
, then throw the ravens in for good measure.... completely mess around with that your opponent thinks the season + rules surrounding it are

slothgodfather

Sep 20 2013 03:11 PM

Very interesting for choke decks that don't necessarily depend on Winter.

Chock just isn't fun without the Wintertime Marauders (ACoS) and Ice Fisherman (TWoW), but I do concur that there is still the option to choke without them.

VonWibble

Sep 20 2013 04:59 PM

Am I right in saying that if both players are running this agenda it can be summer since an opponent is running a Season Agenda? Whilst its unlikely either player would want this in joust (Demon's Dance maybe), in melee if a third player is running black raven but no Seasons agenda its good for them!

Seems a little odd for sure!

slothgodfather

Sep 20 2013 05:36 PM

yes

Grimwalker

Sep 23 2013 03:02 PM

Curious - the Ravens' effects of players counting one more or less gold during marshalling would still happen, since that isn't actually conditional on it being Summer or Winter, just that the Raven card is in play. Very interesting for choke decks that don't necessarily depend on Winter.

Yeah, the choke would still be there, oddly enough. -1 gold ain't nothing.

Jensen22

Sep 27 2013 04:24 PM

Well... That is interesting... If the gold bonus or penalty were dependant on the season wouldnt the card say something like...

It is Winter.
While it is winter players count -1 gold?

The way it reads now, it seems as if the winter aspect and the gold affect are indeed two seperate things.

Any word of an official ruling on this?

slothgodfather

Sep 27 2013 04:50 PM

There is no need for an "official ruling". The card does not say it requires it to be Winter/Summer to enable the gold modification ability, so it is not necessary.

clarky101

Oct 10 2013 11:18 PM

I dont really follow this conversation... why would you want to play the opposing raven while running the agenda? so what if you stop it being summer/winter whist adding/removing 1 gold? that one gold change isnt worth running an agenda for... not with so many other agendas out there that give much greater benefit. in fact not having an agenda at all with more likely give you a greater benefit.

Thelovebus

Oct 11 2013 02:16 AM

Yeah but running ravens can be a benefit like with Sam

Lenaxis

May 28 2014 08:51 AM

Did we come to a conclusion regarding VonWibble's question?

Lenaxis

May 28 2014 08:51 AM

Did we come to a conclusion regarding VonWibble's question?

dimithrone

Jan 12 2015 07:00 PM

If I play this agenda on my house, does this mean automatically it is Winter? Or do I need the white raven attacment to have Winter? I am a bit confused with the seasoning theme. Does the same thing counts for Summer?

PatrickHaynes

Jan 12 2015 07:14 PM

Neither of these agendas make it summer or winter, you have to play the appropriate cards (white raven, black raven, crown of winter/meereen, cotter pyke) to make it the appropriate season.

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