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Burning Bridges
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Darksbane
, Apr 23 2011 12:59 AM | Last updated May 01 2011 10:41 PM
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![]() Burning BridgesType: Plot House: Neutral Income:5 Initiative: 0 Claim: 1 Game Text: Intrigue Gambit. Players cannot trigger abilities on character, location, and attachment cards in play. Number: 49 Set: QoD Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Daerick Gross, Sr. |
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(3.7) Card Abilities
"Card abilities" (i.e. ***1*** "Character ability," "Location ability," or "Attachment ability") refers to anything in a card's text box, except for traits, keywords, and flavor text. "Card abilities" also refers to any abilities (again, keywords and traits are excluded) gained by card effects
(3.8) Gaining Abilities
***3*** If any card effect has the text "character gains...," any ability (traits, keywords, icon modifiers, or STR modifiers are not considered abilities) following the word "gains" is considered to now be a character ability.
***2*** Using a duplicate to save a character is considered to be a gained triggered "Response:" action. Thus, it is treated as a triggered effect and may be canceled, but because it is gained (and therefore an ability of the card attempting to use the response), a character who is "immune to triggered effects" can be saved by using a duplicate, as a card cannot be immune to its own abilities.
Core Rules:
"from play, or returned to your hand or deck, as a triggered..."
FAQ:
"If one of your unique cards is about to leave play, as a triggered..."
Later in the same entry:
"Using a duplicate to save a character is considered to be a gained triggered..."
I am Baratheon. I have a Robert Baratheon (Lord trait) in play, and Ser Parmen Crane (Lord characters you control gain: "Response: Kneel 1 influence to save this character from being killed.") Ser Parmen has a duplicate.
Opponent has Thoros of Myr (Brotherhood Renown. If you have no power on your House card, Thoros of Myr gains: "Response: Kneel Thoros of Myr and discard a power from a character you control to save a Brotherhood character from being killed."). During the plot phase, opponent flips Burning Bridges, and I flip Valar Morgulis. Who can be saved?
1. Ser Parmen, because he has a duplicate.
2. Robert, because he has gained a save ability not part of his own text.
3. The Mad Huntsman, using Thoros's ability, because Thoros has gained a save ability.
The answer was all 3. Can someone explain why? I'm totally ok, with the first one, but I don't get the second and the third. In some aspect they are gained ability, but on the other hand they are printed on the character.
Sometimes I'm a bit scorched by the "simple and coherent" rulings of the game.
The effects may be printed on the characters, but by default they don't work. If you just have Robert in play, he doesn't have the response. You have to have Parmen as well, so Robert gains that text - it being in another textbox at the time makes no difference, because Burning Bridges doesn't blank the textbox. Likewise, if you have Thoros in play but have power on your house card, you can't use his response. It's only by having zero power on your house card that you gain the response. If it was worded as "Response: If you have no power on your house card, kneel Thoros of Myr and discard etc." then it wouldn't work, but because it expressly uses the word "gains" in the text, that makes it a gained triggered effect and therefore still eligible to be used even with Burning Bridges.
Edit: if you're still confused, check out the Quill & Tankard issue on the matter, hopefully that can clear things up
Still new to the game and had an issue come up in a game with this card the other night. Is kneeling influence on a location to ambush in a card into play or save a card from being killed considered a "triggered ability"?
Kneeling influence is not an effect or an ability of the influence providing card itself. It is a cost of whatever you are triggering. If you have an event card that says "Kneel a Lannister character to...," when you kneel that Lannister character, you are only triggering the event -- not some triggered ability of the character. Kneeling influence is the same thing.
Got it, thanks! So influence is just another way to pay for the cost of an action. So just to double check I understand, if this plot card was in play, then you couldn't use a character ability that says Response: keel one influence to "save said character" from being killed, because characters in play can not trigger abilities?
Correct. But if you had an event card in your hand that said "Response: kneel one influence to save a character," you could kneel any influence source in play despite the plot because you are triggering the event, not an ability on the source of influence.
Thanks again! You've been very helpful!
Does this card cancel Keywords and Traits ?
No. Neither are triggered.