Pyat Pree

So with the change of story in the HBO show, is this card Nedly now?

HBO made a very poor adaptation of the second book.
This card should barely be targaryen if we take a look at the books.

I know I will enjoy killing my opponents' characters even more after seeing him in the show though

After i kill someone die to his ability i say "Forever" like he did in the show. . .. . and then all my friends look at me like im crazy

xD

Do the "normal claim effects" refer to everything you gain as a result of winning the challenge? In other words, power for unopposed, etc.

No, just the making your opponent choose characters to die to Military, cards discarded to Intrigue or power moved from Power challenge. Eveything else such as unopposed, etc still happens.

Cool, thanks! I'm liking this card . . .

Martell player loses and Pyat is the only attacker. Martell players uses Red Vengeance (PotS). What happens?

I imagine, that Pyat's controller would have to choose and kill one of his characters.

I'm not sure, that's not what they told me to a tourney a few days ago... they said RV wouldn't work, but I didn't get why!

Doesn't sound like a very good ruling! Red Vengeance (PotS) most certainly would work. It cancels the claim effect, full stop.

The only bit I'm not 100% on is whether a chosen opponent would then suffer the Pyat Pree claim effect or if it would default back to the challenge-type claim effect. Not sure if claim effect replacement cards like Pyat Pree, Isle Garron (APS), Hugor Hill (VM), or War of Five Kings (RoW) carry over with the "then" part of RV's text.


I know that if you RV'd with Twist of Fate (APS) as your revealed plot, the claim your chosen opponent suffers is for the challenge type the winning opponent actually initiated, not whatever claim effect was chosen instead. Not sure if the same rule would apply here.

This rule question could easily be answered over in the new players rules question thread.

Gonna ask it there

After noticing this question I decided to do a bit of research. I posted the answer there, but I'll post it here as well.

http://www.fantasyfl...=4&efidt=629040

Very interesting, thanks Shadow

Im gunna have to disagree here, pyats effect isnt a replacement of claim as far as red vengance is concerned.. pyat effect isnt claim related, on a claim 2 plot he doesnt allow you to kill 2 characters... he simply allows you to choose and kill a character

red vengance cancels the claim, then choose an opponent to satisy the claim ''as if'' they lost. since there is no claim at all to cancel, the player controlling pyat wouldnt have to do a thing. but pyats effect after winning a chal would still happen as red vengance doesnt change who won or lost the challenge, only who suffers for it

pyats effect isnt a replacement of claim as far as red vengance is concerned.. pyat effect isnt claim related, on a claim 2 plot he doesnt allow you to kill 2 characters... he simply allows you to choose and kill a character

Just because Pyat Pree's claim replacement text doesn't reference the current claim value on a revealed plot card, doesn't mean it isn't a claim effect that can be cancelled by RV!

I think I see where you are coming from, but Pyat's ability absolutely is a claim replacement effect, as ktom describes in Shadowcat's link above. Think of "claim" as a blank template, with no attached association with the three challenge types at all. "Claim" as a game term is simply a mechanic for what happens after a player is declared the winner of a challenge, which can be anything, but normally defaults to one of the three basic challenge type claim effects. The claim value on a revealed plot card is just a variable. The claim value is the "X" that the 3 challenge types are written to reference in the rules for how many characters are killed, cards are discarded from hand, or power is claimed from a House Card. A claim replacement effect can change the claim to anything, and it would not have to reference the current claim value of a revealed plot card at all (and frequently they do not - Isle Garron (APS), Hugor Hill (VM), War of Five Kings (RoW), etc).

For example:
If nothing would happen to the losing opponent as part of a claim effect (like if a character won a power challenge in which it attacked alone with Dothraki Stallion (APS) attached), then playing RV would simply cancel the replaced claim effect, and nothing further would happen (since the losing defender has no further claim effect to satisfy).