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Snakeskin Veil
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Darksbane
, May 29 2011 06:45 AM | Last updated Jun 21 2011 05:32 PM
Snakeskin VeilType: Attachment House: Martell Cost:1 Game Text: Item. Sandsnake character only. Attached character is immune to opponent's non-plot card effects. Number: 54 Set: CbtC Quantity: 3 Illustrator: A. M. Sartor |
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Old Nan (BoRF) or Copper Link (GotC), then attach this card, will the attachment stay on the card even after the character loses the trait at the end of the phase or is it discarded?
Between this card and Den of the Wolf (ACoS) which takes priority?
If you control Snakeskin Veil and an opponent controls Den of the Wolf, then Snakeskin Veil would be immune to the effects of Den of the Wolf as it is an opponent's non-plot card effect, it is immune to loosing it's immunity.
If however you control Snakeskin Veil and Den of the Wolf, then the character would loose it's immunity because it is not immune to your own Den of the Wolf.
Oh, here's something from the FAQ:
Yeah, I read that too, but I was just as confused. :-D Anyway, 2 more questions. Is attached character immune to opponent's characters keywords (stealth, deadly)? Also, is attached character immune to the effects of The Old Way (FF)?
The character would be immune to the effects of The Old Way and stealth, as those are card effects. However, deadly is considered a framework effect, so it still affects characters with immunity.
So this includes everything except claim yes? I've heard differing opinions on deadly but i'm considering tournament play soon so I feel like I should know these things if I'm gonna practice properly :L
Deadly is not a card effect. It is a framework action similar to claim, so even though Deadly is a keyword on a card, it is not the keyword itself that is killing the character. It is the game mechanic that counts the # of Deadly on each side of a fight and attempts to kill a defender if the attacker has more Deadly. As such, "immunity to non-plot card effects" will not protect you from this. At least - that is how I understand the current rules.
Hmm, that's interesting. I remember something about Cat of the Canals being immune to Stealth because it is a card effect and I always assumed that Deadly was a card effect as well. And until the most recent FAQ Deadly was not part of the framework action for challenges, so has this always been the case, or has it changed recently?
Edit:
I just checked the FAQ and it specifically states that the daedly kill is part of the framework action, so this would not protect against it. I still don't know about stealth, though.
Deadly did used to be considered a card effect, it has been clarified and added into the Framework as an event (FAE). Granted, declaring Stealth is also a FAE, but is handled differently than deadly and is, currently, still considered a card effect. I suppose the difference is stealth is that individual keyword trying to do something directly to a targeted character - "they cannot defend". As such, if you are immune to card effects, you can ignore the effects of this. Deadly isn't effecting a target, nor is it directly a card effect, because you can have 1 deadly or 20 deadly, and you still only kill 1 character. .... ok. In all honesty, I can't really tell you why they are different other than the FAQ has said deadly is a FAE that it is the resolution of that FAE that kills a character (instead of the effects of the keyword) and that Cat is not immune to it.
Deadly works like strength in a challenge. Cards contribute their strength, the totals are compared, and a resolution is determined. However, immunity to card effects doesn't mean that opponent's cards don't contribute their strength, obviously. Nor does it prevent an immune card from being chosen for military claim. This is because comparing strength and resolving claim, etc. is not a result of some effect originating from the cards in the challenge. Deadly works in the same way.
This was mentioned briefly in previous comments, but I'm just looking for confirmation. A character with SV attached would be immune to the effects of the Old Way agenda - correct?
Correct. Agendas are non-plot cards, so being immune to non-plot card effects would mean agendas cannot be applied directly to the immune card.
In the Old Way agenda question (since i suspect its going to be used in one of our games!)
So, a character wih snakeskin veil could not be choosen to be killed?
But if another character was involved on the lower strength side of the challenge as a character with snakeskin veil they would have to be choosen to be killed?
That's correct.