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Ghaston Grey

Submitted Darksbane , May 17 2011 12:27 AM | Last updated Jun 26 2012 02:01 PM

Bounce Errata

Ghaston Grey

Type: Location House: Martell
Cost:1
Game Text:

Challenges: Return a Martell Noble character you own and control to your hand to choose an opponent’s character of equal or lower printed cost. Return that character to its owner's hand.
Flavor Text: Ser Manfrey proved a bit more forthcoming. "They were taken to the Planky town and will be conveyed by ship to Ghaston Grey, until such time as Prince Doran decides their fate."
Number: 34 Set: FtC
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Ignacio Lazcano

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22 Comments

berto
Oct 03 2011 07:33 AM

For me this is one of the best control card martell has in pool. For only 1 gold we have possibility to bounce our noble and one choosen opponent character. We have currently four nobles but only three are commonly played: Arianne Martell (PotS), Edric Dayne (IG) and
The Red Viper (PotS). Last one is too expensive but furst two characters especially Edric are quite good to bounce something with a lot of attachments or power back to hand to get rid of this threat. Note that your noble can be kneeled. So we can first kneel our character for
A Game of Cyvasse (ACoS) and then return it to hand with this card. Our opponent will lose two characters for this round.

Shenanigans
Dec 01 2011 07:38 PM

Because no one else has mentioned it here yet, this card is going to become even more absurdly good once Myrcella Lannister (ODG) is out.

BillSchitz
Dec 10 2011 10:34 AM

So if I've got, say, Edric Dayne out with a duplicate, and I use Ghaston Grey, what happens? Does my duplicate get discarded and the other card come back to my hand? Or can I "save" Edric by returning the duplicate to my hand, leaving the other copy in play?

The latter sounds absurdly good, it can't possibly be that.

tehflash
Dec 12 2011 05:05 PM

You can't save from a "return to hand" action. Since the duplicate is considered an attachment you would loose it to your discard pile when you put Edric back in your hand.

BillSchitz
Dec 12 2011 10:37 PM

Ah, I see why the new Myrcella at cost 2 is considered so important now.

SpiderMonkey
Dec 13 2011 06:06 AM

Well... you can't save the Martell character because it is a cost. The opponent can save his character with a dupe though.

emptyrepublic
Mar 21 2012 07:34 PM

Can someone clarify a bit here. According to rules duplicates allow saves for "return to the hand" effects. Sounds like in the above example that that Edric would remain in play and a duplicate would just be discarded since there is no if/then or "cannot be saved" text in Ghaston Grey. Or am I just off base?

Staton
Mar 21 2012 07:48 PM

Well, the timing doesn't actually work here. When paying costs there is no save/cancel window. So when you go to return Edric to your hand as a cost to choose a character, there is no timing window to save him from being returned to hand.

emptyrepublic
Mar 21 2012 08:06 PM

Got it. I've not quite memorized where there are and are not open actions windows. :-)

Staton
Mar 21 2012 09:34 PM

Yeah no worries there. You can always go to the FAQ and look at the timing charts there if you ever need a refresher.

korvacv
Mar 22 2012 01:13 AM

Besides which i dont think you can do a save action against paying a "cost" as that save action would then null and void the actual payment thus no action

imrahil327
Mar 22 2012 08:33 AM

Korvacv is right- if you don't actually return the martell noble, you don't get the 'to'

tehflash
Mar 22 2012 02:40 PM

Nerfed with the 3.2 FAQ. Now putting Myrcella back in hand won't return me my 8 cost army.

manutd14
Jul 10 2012 12:36 PM

Let's say I have Red Viper with his duplicate. The opponent has a unique character with duplicate as well. How can I play Chaston Grey on that character? Should I return both Vipers in hand?Can he discard the duplicate to save his character?

Staton
Jul 10 2012 01:31 PM

If you return your Red Viper to your hand to pay for Ghaston Grey, he is returned to hand and the duplicate is discarded. Duplicates don't count as attachments so you can target his unique character. However, duplicates can be discarded to save from any effect that would remove the card from play. So his unique character would most likely remain in play unless you had a cancel for his save, like He Calls It Thinking (PotS).

manutd14
Nov 09 2012 01:39 PM

Let's say that I am the attacker and I finish attacks. Then opponent finishes his attacks too. According to the chart, there is no action window right? So Ghaston cannot be played after the determination of the last challenge. Am I right? Another scenario.... I am done with my challenges and opponent passes his challenges. May I use Ghaston? Thanks!

samuellinde
Nov 09 2012 01:56 PM

You're right about the first scenario. As for the second, you'd have to use the player action window immediately following your last challenge. If you both pass then it'd be too late.

ShadowcatX2000
Nov 09 2012 02:25 PM

Actually he's wrong in the first scenario. There is always a player action window following a challenge (in case of theoretical actions that can grant challenges) so Ghaston Grey could be used there.

The second question should probably be asked in the new player questions thread so someone more knowledgable than I can answer it. I believe it would go:

Player 1 and Player 2 pass on player actions.
Player 2 passes on challenge opportunities.
Go back to the opportunity for player actions. Perform actions as you like.
Player 2 then gets another chance to perform a challenge as his challenges aren't used up.

samuellinde
Nov 09 2012 02:53 PM

ShadowcatX2000 said:

Actually he's wrong in the first scenario. There is always a player action window following a challenge (in case of theoretical actions that can grant challenges) so Ghaston Grey could be used there.

As I'm reading the timing flowchart (and I usually find myself being wrong ^_^

), when a player passes on his/her challenge opportunities, the game moves on to the next framework action window which is when the next player becomes the active player. According to the flowchart, there's only a player action window after the player 1 is finished, not after player 2. I guess this is a case where the flowchart might be outdated? Has this situation been clarified somewhere that I've missed?

samuellinde
Nov 09 2012 03:00 PM

samuellinde, on 09 November 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

Has this situation been clarified somewhere that I've missed?

Answering my own question here by linking to a thread on FFG's forums: http://www.fantasyfl...=4&efidt=723645

TL;DR: Yes, there is a player action window at the end of the challenges phase, just like ShadowcatX2000 said.

manutd14
Nov 26 2012 09:46 PM

I have Ghaston. Then Frozen Solid is attached to it. Then I play another Ghaston for dupe. What happens? Is Frozen Solid still blanking Ghaston or it is descarded?

ShadowcatX2000
Nov 27 2012 02:19 AM

Yes Ghaston is still blank because it still has frozen solid.