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Blood-Crazed Screamer


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Blood-Crazed Screamer

Blood-Crazed Screamer



Type: Character House: Targaryen
Cost: 2 Strength: 1 Icons: Military
Game Text:
Dothraki. Ally.
If you have won a single Military challenge as the attacker this phase, you may declare 1 additional Military challenge (to a maximum of 2) by declaring Blood-Crazed Screamer and any number of eligible Dothraki characters as attackers.
Number: 53 Set: MotM
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Woodrow J. Hinton III
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23 Comments

i assume i can do a second military challange while being knelt. and if u want to add more dothraki characters they do have to be standing (eligible).
also (to a maximum of 2) does that mean 1 normal challange and 2 extra if u win military or 1 normal and 1 extra ?
If the Screamer is knelt, you can't attack with him. It doesn't say he can attack while knelt so it doesn't do that. And, it means 1 normal and 1 extra.
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Does this guy negate Storm of Swords (LoW)? If you were to make your Military challenges in the order of Normal, SoS, BCS, then you would be violating the text of "a single (M) Challenge."

On the other hand, if you go Normal, BCS, SoS, then you're not violating the card text if it's just meant so that you can't attack 4 times if you've got three Screamers on the board. It's grammatically the same to say:
  • If you have won a single (M) challenge as the attacker this phase, by declaring Blood-Crazed Screamer and any number of eligible Dothraki characters as attackers, you may declare 1 additional (M) challenge (to a maximum of 2.)
Declaring BCS as the attacker is the cost, a second challenge is the effect, and that ability would be limited to a maximum of two. This interpretation wouldn't seem to conflict with Storm of Swords (LoW), which would grant you one more.
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n00bcommander
Jun 03 2012 09:52 PM
My understanding is that you would only get two challenges either way. If you use Storm of Swords 1st then you couldn't trigger his ability becuase it would exceed the two challenges . If you triggered his ability 1st then you couldn't use storm of swords becuase his ability instills the condition that you can only have a maximum of two military challenges.
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kkrissz1990
Jan 18 2013 12:51 PM
I would really like to abuse this character with that plot too, but I fear that n00bcommander's interpretation is the correct one, though I have nothing to cite to support it.
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slothgodfather
Jan 18 2013 02:45 PM
When a card imposes a Maximum on something, such as this guy, it generally applies to the player. So using him means you only get 2 total MIL challenges regardless of what other effects you had.

Consider The Bastard's Boys (ARotD). If you use them to raise a claim 1 plot to claim 2, you can still use other effects to raise your claim to 3, but not beyond it. If you use them to raise the claim of a 2 claim plot to 3, then you are at your max and cannot use other effects to raise your claim further. If you used another effect to raise your claim on a 2 claim plot to 3, then you are already at your max and they would have no effect.
This is another area where GoT cards are grammatically uncertain. The way the card is written you could construe it to mean that "you may declare 1 additional Military challenge (to a maximum of 2)" actually imposes a hard cap on the amount of additional military challenges you can declare. Meaning that if you used
Storm of Swords (LoW) you would declare your two military challenges from the plot, and then use the
Blood-Crazed Screamer (MotM) to declare a third one without violating the text of any card. It is a little ambiguous but that makes sense to me because it seems like how both cards are supposed to work. Of course, that is hardly an official guideline.
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ShadowcatX2000
Jan 19 2013 12:42 AM

This is another area where GoT cards are grammatically uncertain. The way the card is written you could construe it to mean that "you may declare 1 additional Military challenge (to a maximum of 2)" actually imposes a hard cap on the amount of additional military challenges you can declare. Meaning that if you used
Storm of Swords (LoW) you would declare your two military challenges from the plot, and then use the
Blood-Crazed Screamer (MotM) to declare a third one without violating the text of any card. It is a little ambiguous but that makes sense to me because it seems like how both cards are supposed to work. Of course, that is hardly an official guideline.


That is incorrect, to a maximum of 2 means a maximum of 2 military challenges total. Not additional military challenges.
It is incorrect, but grammatically I can understand the misunderstanding too :)
I wish they would be clearer on things. I believe it means to a maximum of 2 using the same Blood-Crazed Screamer (MotM) but I was wondering if you could use another Blood-Crazed Screamer (MotM) for the effect? But can you trigger multiple attacks during the Epic Battle phase?
It sets a maximum for the phase, I believe. So if you had 2, you could use one during the challenges phase, then one during the epic phase for a total of 4 military challenges. That is my understanding, anyway.
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PatrickHaynes
Feb 25 2014 01:13 AM
Is there anything like this for Stark, besides the obvious plots? I imagine this would work really well with Siege...
If i win a Military challenge and then initiate a second Military challenge with BCS and every eligible dothraki characters, can i add other NON-dothraki characters to the challenge?(There is no "ONLY dothraki" restriction).ty
The effect says thay you can initiate additional mil challenge if you declare BCS and any number of Dothraki characters, so, no, you cannot declare non-dothraki characters.
if BCS strength is lowered by a card affect or Dragon Pit, can you still trigger his passive by using any eligible Dothraki character?
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rowanmccready
Jun 29 2014 04:40 PM

so deadly khalasar doesn't reset his ability?

what do you mean with "reset" I don't get your problem with these two cards

if BCS strength is lowered by a card affect or Dragon Pit, can you still trigger his passive by using any eligible Dothraki character?

 

Yes

so deadly khalasar doesn't reset his ability?

 

No. Abilities do not 'reset' unless the card goes out of play and it wasn't a lasting effect for the phase/round. He would stand though, allowing you to use him in the first military challenge, and then again for the additional challenge

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I wonder if you guys are right in assuming that you can declare knelt dothraki characters as attackers for BCS since the card says "any number of eligible dothraki characters". If the characters are already kneeling why should they be eligible for the second Military attack? BCS doesn't specifically state that you can declare knelt characters as attackers.

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theamazingmrg
May 21 2015 10:36 AM

The effect says thay you can initiate additional mil challenge if you declare BCS and any number of Dothraki characters, so, no, you cannot declare non-dothraki characters.

I'd assume you could still use Naval (or similar) to add extra characters to the challenge after your BCS and eligible Dothraki are declared as attackers.

@Martell: You are correct. Nothing in this card allows you to declare either BCS or any other Dothraki as an attacker in the second challenge if they do not meet the requirements for declaring a character as an attacker in a challenge - specifically, standing and having the correct icon. (Although I think the "even if knelt" comment was aimed at BCS himself rather than at any other Dothraki one would want to include in the challenge.)

 

@Nikola: You are correct. Once the challenge is initiated and the original (all Dothraki) attackers are declared, card and game effects, like Naval, can be used to bring other attackers into the challenge, even if they do not have the Dothraki trait. The "Dothraki" limitation is only placed on the characters knelt as attackers when initiating the challenge; it is not a general limitation on eligibility as an attacker for the entire challenge.