Valar Morghulis

question.. is this considered an Event? i know its a plot, but is the killing of the characters an event?

No, this is not considered an event.

Can players save their characters using bodyguards? thanks

Yes. Any reason on why you think you couldn't save characters from this?

It looks so ultimate, otherwise no reason you are right. thanks

Ahhh yeah, that makes sense. I was just making sure I explained it properly rather than just "Yes you can"

Why does it have the 1 plot limit? Isn't that in place already?

Holdover from the ccg i believe

Can someone cancell the effects of the "When Revealed" text?

For example, can someone cancell the killing effect of Valar with He Calls it Thinking? It is a response without an Influence cost, but it sounds too cheesy.

How do cancels work with "When Revealed"?

He Calls it Thinking wouldn't work, as it is a "When Revealed" effect, and not a Response.

However, Outwit (TIoR) and Old Bear Mormont (RotO) can be used to cancel Valar or any other "When Revealed" effect, for example.

Most cancels states that it cancels a "triggered" effect. Triggered effects are only those that start with bold text ("Bold text: Cost to effect.") - those abilities that doesn't have this wording are either passive or static

Valar's effect for example is passive.

most important card in the game

If 2 players reveal Valar, and you have a character with a dupe. Is he killed? Saved with the dupe from the first valar and killed after the second?

You are correct, It is killed

In which order are characters killed by Valar Morghulis? All at the same time?
My question is whether Joffrey Baratheon (Core) can score 3 points before he dies himself, in some cases this might win a match.

All when revealeds happen in the order chosen by the first player, then passives, followed by responses.

So everyone who isn't saved will die at the same time to Valar, and then in the response step, Joffrey will be able to use his response, which could cause the game to end whilst he is moribund: dead pile (assuming he died).

NuFenix explains it well, but here is a breakdown of the timing.


Assuming your flipped VM, Joffrey is your character and that VM is the plot chosen to resolve first, here is the timing:
Step 1 Initiation: Valar initiates
Step 2 Saves/Cancels: Use any available saves here. In this example, lets say 3 lords have not be saved - including Joffrey.
Step 3 Resolution: All characters not saved become moribund:dead pile
*Repeat Step 1, 2 & 3 for opponent's plot
Step 4 Passives: Any passives to things that have occurred in any of the previous steps (including Step 4) - example would be Golden Tooth Mines (Core)
Step 5 Responses: Starting with the first player, players take turns triggering 1 response at a time if applicable. Your opponent has nothing to trigger so you trigger Joffrey's response to the first lord that died and claim a power. Your opponent passes on responses. You trigger Joff and get a power. Opponent passes. You trigger Joff and get a power.
Step 6 Clean-up: all moribund cards leave play

Assuming you only needed that 3 power to reach 15 you win before your cards leave play.

Reager, on 21 August 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

why???
i think it is good only when you are losing the game, if you are winnin the game, and have no way of saing your own card, it will be awful

FunnyGIRLportugal, on 21 May 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

You might wanna use it in an offensive way, for example if your opponent has a key character (or a very annoying one) on the field you can "sacrifice" your board to reset the game. Plus, the threat of possibly having Valar in your plot deck makes your opponents play more carefully, exactly in order to avoid you resetting the game and have nothing in their hands. So yes, it's pretty important

It wouldn't be strange that in some games, your opponent just takes off WAY ahead of you, be it in power or number of characters, or whatever. Valar just introduces a way of resetting the board, like Loras said, and give you a chance to get yourself together.

Some decks play consistently around it, though. Especially decks based on saving or unkillable characters.