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Valar Morghulis

Valar Morghulis

Valar Morghulis

Type: Plot House: Neutral
Income:2 Initiative: 0 Claim: 0
Game Text:

Limit 1 per plot deck.
When revealed, kill all characters in play.
Number: 201 Set: Core
Quantity: 1 Illustrator: Thomas Denmark
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Jan 06 2011 07:12 PM
question.. is this considered an Event? i know its a plot, but is the killing of the characters an event?
No, this is not considered an event.
Can players save their characters using bodyguards? thanks
Yes. Any reason on why you think you couldn't save characters from this?
It looks so ultimate, otherwise no reason you are right. thanks
Ahhh yeah, that makes sense. I was just making sure I explained it properly rather than just "Yes you can"
Why does it have the 1 plot limit? Isn't that in place already?

May 15 2012 08:17 PM
Holdover from the ccg i believe

Jul 12 2012 12:32 PM
Can someone cancell the effects of the "When Revealed" text?

For example, can someone cancell the killing effect of Valar with He Calls it Thinking? It is a response without an Influence cost, but it sounds too cheesy.

How do cancels work with "When Revealed"?
He Calls it Thinking wouldn't work, as it is a "When Revealed" effect, and not a Response.

However, Outwit (TIoR) and Old Bear Mormont (RotO) can be used to cancel Valar or any other "When Revealed" effect, for example.
Most cancels states that it cancels a "triggered" effect. Triggered effects are only those that start with bold text ("Bold text: Cost to effect.") - those abilities that doesn't have this wording are either passive or static :)

Valar's effect for example is passive.
most important card in the game
If 2 players reveal Valar, and you have a character with a dupe. Is he killed? Saved with the dupe from the first valar and killed after the second?
You are correct, It is killed :)
In which order are characters killed by Valar Morghulis? All at the same time?
My question is whether Joffrey Baratheon (Core) can score 3 points before he dies himself, in some cases this might win a match.
All when revealeds happen in the order chosen by the first player, then passives, followed by responses.

So everyone who isn't saved will die at the same time to Valar, and then in the response step, Joffrey will be able to use his response, which could cause the game to end whilst he is moribund: dead pile (assuming he died).

May 17 2013 01:34 AM
NuFenix explains it well, but here is a breakdown of the timing.

Assuming your flipped VM, Joffrey is your character and that VM is the plot chosen to resolve first, here is the timing:
Step 1 Initiation: Valar initiates
Step 2 Saves/Cancels: Use any available saves here. In this example, lets say 3 lords have not be saved - including Joffrey.
Step 3 Resolution: All characters not saved become moribund:dead pile
*Repeat Step 1, 2 & 3 for opponent's plot
Step 4 Passives: Any passives to things that have occurred in any of the previous steps (including Step 4) - example would be Golden Tooth Mines (Core)
Step 5 Responses: Starting with the first player, players take turns triggering 1 response at a time if applicable. Your opponent has nothing to trigger so you trigger Joffrey's response to the first lord that died and claim a power. Your opponent passes on responses. You trigger Joff and get a power. Opponent passes. You trigger Joff and get a power.
Step 6 Clean-up: all moribund cards leave play

Assuming you only needed that 3 power to reach 15 you win before your cards leave play.

May 21 2013 01:48 PM

Reager, on 21 August 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

most important card in the game
i think it is good only when you are losing the game, if you are winnin the game, and have no way of saing your own card, it will be awful

May 21 2013 02:29 PM

FunnyGIRLportugal, on 21 May 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

i think it is good only when you are losing the game, if you are winnin the game, and have no way of saing your own card, it will be awful
You might wanna use it in an offensive way, for example if your opponent has a key character (or a very annoying one) on the field you can "sacrifice" your board to reset the game. Plus, the threat of possibly having Valar in your plot deck makes your opponents play more carefully, exactly in order to avoid you resetting the game and have nothing in their hands. So yes, it's pretty important :D
It wouldn't be strange that in some games, your opponent just takes off WAY ahead of you, be it in power or number of characters, or whatever. Valar just introduces a way of resetting the board, like Loras said, and give you a chance to get yourself together.

Some decks play consistently around it, though. Especially decks based on saving or unkillable characters.
If a character has the "cannot be discarded from play" text
VM says "kill all characters" but by doing so i would be "discarding it from play"
It's that right?
No. The discard pile and the dead pile are two different destination for characters who leave play.

Slidegob, on 15 May 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Why does it have the 1 plot limit? Isn't that in place already?
It has the 1 plot limit because it was originally printed before that was the case. The game initially let you have two copies of each plot. When it got reprinted they just kept the same wording.
They also may have specifically kept the 'Limit 1 per plot deck' text in case there are any cards ever printed that allow you to play multiples of plots.