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Fear of Winter

Submitted Darksbane , Aug 18 2010 03:14 AM | Last updated Jun 10 2013 03:23 AM

Fear of Winter Type: Plot House: Neutral Income:2 Initiative: 4 Claim: 2 Game Text: Restricted Each player cannot play or put into play more than 1 card from his or her hand until you reveal a new plot card. Number: 40 Set: BtW Quantity: 1 Illustrator: Jason Caffoe
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22 Comments

theCrow

Jun 27 2012 03:39 PM

Is playing a card into Shadows from your hand considered "playing a card" for this matter? I guess it is, but want to make sure, since cards in Shadows are not considered to be in play.

Laxen

Jun 27 2012 04:04 PM

Hm. I have always assumed (which I do far too often) that putting a card into shadows does not count to the limit, but putting them into play from shadows does count.

Made some research though before posting - and it seems I was wrong. According to the April (latest?) clarification and errata document, this is what FFG has to say about Fear of Winter:

(v1.4) Fear of Winter F40
Playing or putting a card into Shadows from
your hand does count against the limitation
set by Fear of Winter. Bringing a card out of
Shadows does not count against this card's
limitation. Replacement effects that put a card
into play from a player's hand (such as those
on PotS Darkstar and PotS House Dayne
Reserves) also count against the limitation set
by this card.

So; Yes. Putting cards into shadows count to the limit for cards that you are allowed to play during a Fear of Winter turn. Not sure why though actually...

Edit: Ok. I guess it has to do with the "from hand" part.

slothgodfather

Jun 27 2012 04:04 PM

Since the plot restriction is "from your hand" this does mean cards going into shadows count towards this restriction. However, cards coming out of shadows do not.

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jackmerridew

Jun 27 2012 04:18 PM

nvm, slothgodfather has it handled

Laxen

Jun 27 2012 04:18 PM

Ye. In the Shadows rulings they refer to it as "playing" a card into shadows, not "putting" (which is easily assumed since it's such a big deal in many ruling discussions that cards leaving shadows aren't played, they are put) - which means that the cards is actually played from hand and therefore meets the criteria for FoW.

Drago13

Sep 13 2012 05:29 PM

Ye. In the Shadows rulings they refer to it as "playing" a card into shadows, not "putting"

Yes, I agree with that. However, what ablout a City of Lies (CoS) plot card? It states that you are actually "putting" up to 2 cards into shadows when you reveal it. Does Fear of Winter (BtW) limit that too?

slothgodfather

Sep 13 2012 05:48 PM

@Drago, that is actually covered in the FAQ and in the first post by Laxen, but the answer is yes - it counts towards your 1 card during a Fear of Winter turn.

Drago13

Sep 13 2012 06:12 PM

Yes, the way to handle this situation is clear now.
Still, i don't see how that its based on the card text or rules.
Does putting a card into shadows from your hand always count "playing" the card? No, and the FAQ actually points that there is a difference as it sais "Playing or putting"
OFC, we must play it that way, but just because the FAQ sais so, not the rules and card text.

jackmerridew

Sep 13 2012 07:00 PM

isn't putting a card into shadows considered putting a card into play? because the shadows cards can be affected by other in play game mechanics

ShadowcatX2000

Sep 13 2012 07:17 PM

Would a card played pre-plot count as the one card for the turn? (Say a pre-plot epic battle?)

Drago13

Sep 13 2012 07:42 PM

isn't putting a card into shadows considered putting a card into play? because the shadows cards can be affected by other in play game mechanics

Definetly no, because cards in shadows are not considered to be "in play". They are considered to be "in shadows". (A quote from rules)

sWhiteboy

Sep 13 2012 08:27 PM

Would a card played pre-plot count as the one card for the turn? (Say a pre-plot epic battle?)

No. The constant effect is only active while FoW is a revealed plot card.

Yes, the way to handle this situation is clear now.
Still, i don't see how that its based on the card text or rules.

It's because that blurb is in the Errata/Clarification part of the FAQ and not in the Questions part of the FAQ. You assume that those words are on FoW. If it were in the Questions section, then it would just be a confusing ruling.

Grimwalker

Dec 08 2012 04:39 AM

The Maester's Path chains count?

ThePrinceThatWasPromised

Dec 08 2012 07:12 AM

I would think that the chains off of the agenda DO NOT count towards your one card limit due to the restriction in the text stating that it only applies to cards that come from your hand. Similar to the restriction applying to cards place in the shadows but not on cards brought out of the shadows.

JCWamma

Dec 08 2012 01:44 PM

Yeah, taking chains off doesn't count, deck search effects (such as At the Gates (GotC) and No Use For Grief (DB)) don't count, and bringing cards out of the shadows doesn't count. It's only when cards leave your hand to enter play, either to the main play area itself or to the Shadows, that the one card is used up.